Foxy, the fact remains that Obama is the biggest mass murderer in the world today.

The fact that he also used violence and threats to obtain $100 million of other people's property makes matters worse, not better.

"Bringing humanity into a sustainable existence is intimately related to world peace."

Ludwig, remember the saying 'fighting for peace is like [having sexual intercourse] for virginity'?

It's not enough to want a sustainable existence - you've got to achieve it using peaceful means. All government, democratic or not, operates on the basis of a legal monopoly of violence and threats of violence. If you use government to achieve a sustainable existence, you don't qualify for a peace prize, but at best a prize for using legal violence and threats to bully people into obeying you because you think you know what's better for them, than they do for themselves.

Nice to be in touch through OLO again, Ludwig.

However, must say that the nasty comments alone from Israel, prove how much the world needs someone like Obama.

Someone who can head us towards a more peaceful future.

Indeed, a future that will never be solved by a militarily atomic Israel, nor indeed another G W Bush.

It is well to remember that it was our modern Pax Americana that virtually headed the much needed UN virtually into the political dustbin to make US power alone the answer to world security.

But us former WW2 soldiers can well rememember how excited we were after defeating Germany and Japan to hear our leaders talking about the end of colonialism which in many ways had been the cause of most political hatreds.

Yet almost while were later clapping our hands for the wonderful Marshall Plan, there were American leaders talking about the need to occupy Iran to prevent a Stalinist takeover.

looking back we now know that it was not surprising that US oil companies were not far behind the occupation.

"Foxy, the fact remains that Obama is the biggest mass murderer in the world today."
Peter Hume

Good Grief !!

"It's not enough to want a sustainable existence - you've got to achieve it using peaceful means."

Not sure about that Peter Hume. Some conflict would unavoidably occur if we put our minds towards achieving sustainability within the necessary timeframe. But this would be vastly less than the conflict that would result if we didn't achieve sustainability.

In fact, the hard decisions that must be made at this advanced point in the unsustainable history of humanity would without any doubt cause tensions and disruptions to the peace to a considerable extent.

Of course we want to minimise that, but more importantly, we MUST achieve a sustainble future...and quickly. That's got to take priority, well and truly.

"If you use government to achieve a sustainable existence, you don't qualify for a peace prize".

Huh? Governments MUST be utilised. And no, they are not all premised on violence or threats of violence. They are premised on a strong rule of law, that will achieve the best outcome for their constituents, despite a degree of inconvenience for the populace and maybe a considerable degree for some.

Obama is in the best position of any person in the world to make the most significant inprovements in world peace. I'm sure he understands that it won't be possible without considerable inconvenience being exerted on some people.

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GDay Bushbred

"However, must say that the nasty comments alone from Israel, prove how much the world needs someone like Obama."

Absolutely