Hyah, Bushbasher, from Bushbred of WA.

Don't know how old you are, mate, but my first job when I was pulled out of school early in the 1930s Great Depression was driving a wagon team carting wheat worth only one shilling and eight-pence a bushell.

Now, mate, must say you appear well eddicated for the moniker you've chosen?

I've picked up a bit also, but mostly in philosophy which makes me so interested in Thomas Aquinas who though gaining a Sainthood, is also credited with helping the Western World on the Path of Earthly Enlightenment, religion only being part of it.

Thanks for your time, Cobber,

Best Regards, BB, Buntine, WA

Sunday is the special day of the week to think of God with gratitude for the good luck in surviving another seven nights of uncertainty beyond the realms of scientific understanding, IMHO. I also thank the author for the article, and had not considered the relevance of the Trinity until reading this morning.

I have been too lazy to glance over more than the few starting pages from back on the 16th and these last two pages of discussion, so forgive me if I repeat what has been posted before in the middle if this discussion.

Has it been mentioned that the application of the empirical 'scientific' mindset to the faithful belief in God's place in the universe is like visiting your car mechanic when you have a toothache that needs repairing?

This is IMHO because the foundation of science is empirical proof. To seek empirical proof of God is essentially satanistic, because it would destroy the most important aspect of humanity, which is free will.

If you woke up this morning to see Charlton Heston at the foot of your bed with a long white beard and a tazer gun pointed at your heart, would that influence the free will that you take for granted as you get up to visit the bathroom? Would you floss?

Science can be a wonderful pursuit for learning more about the world that we live, that we see and read through our eyes, hear through our ears etc., but just as when we fall asleep we close our eyes, there is no doubt more to this life than what our five senses perceive.

I would not like to see the empirical proof that science asks for about God take away my freedom to be human, and make a few wrong turns along this winding road. Free will is the greatest gift we have and if God was on television every night we'd lose it.

Let's be careful what we wish for.

Dear relda.

Which of your many responses is http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=7816#12521. I can find the string, but I don't know how to pick out #12521.

David

Dear David,
The following (direct link) sums up something of my approach to the NT, made in reply to Sells querying my statements about the ‘Trinity’: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=8724#138937
To which you replied a little further on:
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=8724#139472

To take you a little further into my thinking and approach, and (again) you gave generous response:
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=7816#125211

Richard

David and Richard, may I ask you both if there might be anything of relevance that you can relate from these hyperlinks to past threads?

It is rather a confusing way to critique an article, and I would appreciate some substance in the form of an abstract, or perhaps it's best to communicate between yourselves via email?

Sells,

Subsititionary ransom and belief in the same is at the centre of post-Judaic Christianity, not the Triune god. You put the car before the journey. From a Christian perspective, you elevate the apparatus over purpose. In the latter regard, you seem unorthodox.

The above said, I suspect, the orthodox Christian emphasis on the meaning of Crucifixation, your focus of the Trinity and my skepticism, are all far removed from the first century Jesus sects.

George,

Thanks. Good replies. I will respond to you post in a few days. Busy. Take care.