Eclipsed Now

Re: “You quote Mojib Latif. Again, we’ve already discussed this on this thread.”

No we haven’t, leastways YOU haven’t , YOU’VE sidestepped it like a geriatric sidestepping something he was afraid of walking through.

The crux/crucial issue here is you & your fellow parishioner Chu say there is no such thing as a cooling --even a temporary cooling.
Yet Mojib says yes there is, he has evidence , and it may last for decades –further the heating we’ve seen over the last thirty years may be in a large part due to natural cycles!

There is no avoiding it -- someone (or you) has got it wrong –who might that be do you suppose?

By the way these little marks ”…” mean that what is inside is a direct quote.
There is not fudging, no paraphrasing , no abbreviation – it’s a frigin direct quote!
So don’t try to pull that one about me cherry picking!

Fractelle ,
Agree with you 100%
Reduce pollution.
Develop alternate energy
Reduce waste
Yes yes yes !
But this in not what AGW is really about.
Ask the world bank about their reparation program!
Ask the AGW preaches why are they’re –re-badging --- every ill under the sun as a consequence of climate change, and turning a blind eye to over population, bad farming practises & stupid development programs!

An email exchange with Dr Mojib Latif

http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/02/an-email-exchange-with-mojib-latif/

Thanks Q&A, great link which completely answers Horus. However I’d also like to respond that the irony here is that Mojib's original presentation was to address the kind of Cherrypicking Horus and the media sometimes get into.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khikoh3sJg8&feature=sdig&et=1255382545.77

(Does "Cherrypicking, Horus and the Media" sound like a B-grade rock band to anyone else, or is it just me?)

Mojib's talk could be re-titled: “The real life climate complexities Denialists and the media don’t want to accept, causing Cherrypicking”.

As for Horus saying quote marks somehow removes any accusation of Cherrypicking… I just had to laugh. Do he even know what Cherrypicking means?

"Cherry picking is the act of pointing at individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking

Which can simply be quoting out of context. It's still cherrypicking! You could be quoting directly from the IPCC for all I care, but the moment you zoom in and choose the few wiggles on a line that suit your point, while ignoring all the other data, you’ve Cherrypicked! That’s whether you’re arguing it has been cooling since 1998 when it is the hottest decade on record, or trying to say global warming is bunk from a few choice paragraphs from Mojib’s talk, taken TOTALLY out of context.

Mojib said you guys have a simplistic view of a “slowly evolving process, and monotonic process, okay, so each year is warmer than the preceding year”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khikoh3sJg8&feature=sdig&et=1255382545.77

It’s as if you believe temperature increases will ALWAYS correlate EXACTLY to rises in Co2, which is a retarded straw-man characterisation of the real complexities of climate science.

Horus, actually read Q&A’s link or I’ll not bother to read any of your replies.
http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/02/an-email-exchange-with-mojib-latif/

It seems clear the Latif stuff has got Eclipsed on the back foot, hence EVEN MORE shouting, insults, smug righteous tone, talking down to everyone, and rambling madness. He's making the story up as he goes along, just like the global warming con. He admits to not being a climatologist or even a scientist. I'm wondering if he has qualifications in any academic discipline at all.

His wiki definition of cherry picking describes well the Briffa affair, but we haven't heard him on that. Is he cherry picking his accusations of cherry picking?

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Whitmus,
I admit to being cranky with dishonest bloggers that quote *real* climatologists out of context and try to force their words into something else. What part of that behaviour is OK with you?

Eclipse Now, re Latif

The significance of the Keenlyside, Latif et al paper is that it shows modelers are now taking into account ocean basin heat cycles and not just treating them as random fluctuations. Big step forward.

I have a hard copy of the May 2008 paper but an electronic copy is behind a pay wall. Here's a Powerpoint presentation showing the same charts etc.

http://www.agci.org/dB/PPTs/08S1_NKeenlyside_0624.pdf

For the best to date (IMO), elucid presentation of the case for natural factors being the predominate cause of the 1980's & 1990's warming read Peter Taylor's "Chill", "A Reassessment of Global Warming", Clairview, 2009. In the main he sources peer reviewed articles & relates his arguments to the IPPC reports.

Peter is a "committed environmentalist and scientist", "On the basis of his studies of satellite data, cloud cover, ocean & solar cycles, Peter Taylor concludes that the main driver of recent global warming has been an unprecedented combination of natural events".