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Solar power from space: moving beyond science fiction : Comments

By Michael Lemonick, published 10/9/2009

For more than 40 years scientists have dreamed of collecting the sun’s energy in space and beaming it back to Earth.

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For a satellite to provide power to South Australia only.

1. Up to 80 launches required - one a month would take a few years and from where.
2. Fuel 500 tonnes or more per launch, will kerosine be available in decades time with peak oil?
3. Cost 400 billion dollars plus at todays prices.
4. No commercial launchers are available.
5. If it is in GEO orbit it would be beyond the ability to service, that is if there is a new craft able to take passengers into orbit. And it will need service.
6. If in LEO then it will need service as susceptible to damage to its large (very large array) from debris.

Now scale it up to meet Australia needs then the worlds.

This project (for SA only) would be on a scale that is beyond anything we have done to date and dwarves the space station and flying to the moon by magnitudes, could SA afford it?

This type of project is decades away and there are to many technical unknowns to be able to predict if it would pass a cost benefit analysis and an EIS.

The project is dependent upon PV’s to give us 24 hours power they could be installed on the ground with twice the size/capacity and the extra could be used for storage for later use (overnight).

The idea has been around for forty years and does not seem to have progressed very far which may indicate that no one really takes it seriously or even think it is practical.

I am an optimist in that we can fix this world but pessimistic in that politicians (big business) will prevent it happening.

Cheryl so you cannot answer my questions or comments and do not like the facts and have to drop down to a level to call people names - pathetic.
Posted by PeterA, Friday, 11 September 2009 6:31:00 PM
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Just another thought - the energy received in the aerial has to be converted to electricity there is a loss in this conversion of about 20% which has to be dispersed to the local environment.

This loss will be in gigawatts for each installation.

This power, generated in space, is then transferred to the earth is extra heat and we already have a climate change problem.

Far better to have the solar power generated on the ground even if the installations are larger.
Posted by PeterA, Saturday, 12 September 2009 8:14:18 AM
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Space based power stations could be a reality within 10 years.

NASA however is constrained by Big American Business to Big American rocket techology. For the last 40 years we have seen this paradigm fail over and over. The world is far poorer in space advances than it was in 1973 as a result.

All we have from America is the gift to the world of Democracy-on-a-string and the Wall Street lift-pump that sucks real dollars out of new democracies with every rise and fall. It just $pumps & pumps into US consolidated $revenues. There is NO incentive in the US to make great strides in space. Nor will there be while oil companies like EXXon and the Peabody coal giant rule US space&foreign policy.

Its time to get unmesmerised from good 'ol yankee know-how and think for ourselves.

As an analogy, think of sending 100MB of internet data in one chunk across the Pacific. It can't be done. The internet splits it into 1KB chunks and sends them to all points of the compass along networks of servers till they meet up and get reassembled at their destination. Any 1Kb errors checked can quickly be resent and slotted into the file in real time probably via London or somewhere.

The same holds true for space. The impossibility of Big Rockets is palpable. The era of networking space by sending small packets of materiel via networks of "Server" platforms on Earth, LEO, GEO, L4/5 stationary points, the Moon and the inner planets is at hand. The servers themselves are just files of materiel and data, so they too can be auto-robotica-assembled.

IF Australian's think for themselves & get off the Americana Merrygoround we just MIGHT network our way to the moon using a 50-500Kg packet size over the next 10 years. Its about smarts, NOT Heavy Lift-Heavy fail.

Let's EXCEL-in-space. Let's DO IT.

EG.10Kg dynamo-module auto-connects to gas filled origami-fold-out-heat exchangers. 100 of these auto-assemble & align to the Sun in LEO..Instant Power station.
Posted by KAEP, Saturday, 12 September 2009 8:50:12 AM
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It's still cheaper to have solar down on Earth even if we need 4 times as much of it. Now, if the transmission part works as well as advertised we could build a global grid and beam Aussie solar power up and around to, say the US or Europe. I'm not altogether convinced.
Posted by Ken Fabos, Sunday, 13 September 2009 10:14:44 PM
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Send a cable down from the satellite.
I recall an interesting calculus problem concerning this in the '60s. My Physics lecturer was convinced that a satellite with a cable was viable. I have no reason to doubt it.
Posted by Priscillian, Monday, 14 September 2009 10:49:03 AM
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Yes Precillian, a much more sensible idea.
Would those promoting the microwave idea tell me what the path loss
would be in decibels ?
Once we know that we can tell you how many times greater the transmit
power will be to obtain the desired power on the ground.

My guess is between 2 million and 10 million times the power.
So if the design was to produce 200 Megawatt on the ground, the transmit
power would be 400,000,000 Megawatt !
Where do you think you could get that sort of power amplifier at micro
wave frequencies !

Come in Dr Who.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 4:22:11 PM
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