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The over-blown science of global warming : Comments

By Garth Paltridge, published 17/8/2009

Why is it that scientists have become so one-eyed in their public support for the disaster theory of climate change?

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I would go much further than the author in condemning many scientists for refusing to speak up when there is something obviously wrong with the scientific debate on this issue.
As is widely known and is not contested by anyone, the direct effect of increases in CO2 is quite limited. The best estimate of a doubling of CO2 concentrations is an increase of about 0.6 degrees. The climate models that are at the centre of the debate get from 0.6 to 4 or 5 plus degrees by assuming feedback mechanisms - notably the effect of that initial warming on cloud. That feeback factor, or climate gain, is little more than an assumption. There are indications - including the results of the actual physical system - that the gain may be negative rather than positive, and certainly not the big figure assumed by the models.
Yet senior scientists continually insist that the climate models are relevent, based on established science and are not in need of correction. The whole episode is becoming shameful. It is set to overshadow cold fusion as an example of science that has gone completely off the rails.
Posted by Curmudgeon, Monday, 17 August 2009 12:38:58 PM
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Several years ago I saw pages of statistical analysis of long term temperature records from sites all over the world. Of those that varied significantly about 60% showed upward trends and 40% downward trends which was about what I would have expected when the heat sink effects around many city recording sites were taken into account.

I decided to look through the data for a few sites that were well isolated and therefore little subject to unusual events or effects. Two I recall stood out - Malta and Tahiti. Neither showed any long term trend!

Fossil carbon is too valuable for future use as a reducing agent and chemical feedstock to be wasted solely for its calorific content. Money spent on clean coal research is completely a waste of effort and the funds should be diverted to electric power storage research.

All recent discussion on nuclear power seems to avoid discussing the French successes.
Posted by Foyle, Monday, 17 August 2009 12:40:52 PM
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The webpage url was a reference to This Little Kiddy Went To Market by Sharon Beder.

Speaking of the market and kiddys and corporate propaganda there is chap who published a book titled The Enemies of Progress there is chap who gave a key-note address at a CIS gab-fest, arguing the case that school children are being relentlessly brain-washed by green environmental propaganda.

Greens of course being the enemies of progress.

If you check out the extensively foot-noted Kiddy book (she has done her homework) it is quite easy to see what our children are being propagandized by.

And who is financing this 24/7 wall to wall project. Arguably the most relentless exercise in deliberate social engineering ever conducted on this planet.
Posted by Ho Hum, Monday, 17 August 2009 12:46:42 PM
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I have to hand it to On Line Opinion. There are so few of them out there, but you manage to keep digging them up. Congratulations to your research department.
Posted by john kosci, Monday, 17 August 2009 1:03:36 PM
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'The bottom line in the global warming story is that the potential for bias is overwhelmingly towards the politically correct. If for no other reason, the money lies on that side of the fence.'

Professor Garth is partly right here. He fails to answer the moral questions that lead to the gw doctrine and dogmas. Man is so corrupt that he needs to try and display some outward disgust. That is why those who claim to want to save the earth are often the most inwardly corrupt and hypocritical. They are happy to fly around in personal jets and preach to others that they can't have electricity.

For those following the desperate attempts of the alarmist it is rather amusing if not sad. It is a pity so many people have devoted their lives to the lie of gw.
Posted by runner, Monday, 17 August 2009 1:11:33 PM
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Godo “Obviously climate science is inexact, based on probabilities and best-fit scenarios. Do we really need to be told this?”

When a government is attempting to turn the economy on its head by introducing a carbon tax system upon an unsuspecting (of what it really means ) Australian Public, in pursuit of a political agenda which can only be called “Socialism by Stealth” ….

especially considering the league of greenie / climate change zealots / vested interests have manufactured a vast amount of lies and corruption and are prepared to go to almost any length to impose their monocular view upon the rest of us.

I would suggest we most certainly do need to “be told this” !

Or would you prefer to go around with your head stuck in the sand, ostrich fashion?
Posted by Col Rouge, Monday, 17 August 2009 1:39:35 PM
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