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Wake-up call for science : Comments

By Andrew Baker, published 8/7/2009

Scientists must promote their ongoing struggle to understand and explain what it means to be scientific

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Ho Hum

Quote from your second link:

"If science were truly a method for unrestricted inquiry…"

But science is not a method for "unrestricted inquiry". Science is an enterprise whose goal is to expand our understanding of the MATERIAL world.

Is there something beyond the material world? My guess is probably not. But if there is it is outside the purview of science.

Let's take a central question. Does there exist a being or entity that we could call the creator of the universe?

I doubt it but there is no way I can disprove the existence of a creator. There is probably no scientific way of deciding the question.

On the other hand science can sometimes deal with SPECIFIC CLAIMS about a creator. For example, Muslims believe that the koran was transmitted verbatim to Muhammad via a messenger called Jibril (Gabriel) and that it was protected against "corruption". The text of the koran we have today, so Muslims believe, is identical with the words Muhammad received from Jibril between 610 and 632.

But the scientific evidence is against this. See:

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/199901/koran

AND

http://www.michaelsheiser.com/ScribalPractices/lost%20Quran%20MSS.pdf

The EVIDENCE says that the text of the koran evolved over a period of about two centuries. Thus the SPECIFIC CLAIM that the koran remained unchanged since 632 is falsified.

Similarly, evidence has probably falsified the claim that the Shroud of Turin is Jesus's burial cloth.

But science cannot disprove the claim that Muhammad, assuming he existed, communicated with a messenger from the creator or that a man called Jesus rose from the dead. We may be sceptical. We may point out how unlikely this is. But there is no way of disproving it because neither event left any MATERIAL evidence on which science can work.

If you want to believe in improbable events for which there is no evidence you are free to do so. But the only interest a scientist would have is to speculate why some people feel compelled to take improbable tales on faith.
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Saturday, 11 July 2009 1:38:24 PM
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Economic growthist and overpopulationist extermination of the human race is the only scientific theory that is salient today.

All other theories from chemistry to biology to Physics will have to wait fior new species of life to explore and enjoy.

The human species is hard wired for over 90% sexual motivation. This was nature's way to ensure reproductive survival in unpredictable geo-meteorological times.

Now, the only serious, unpredictable threat to our survival is our own rampant sexuality itself. Everything from deceit to murder to WAR is engaged in the passion of LOVE. Just ask Governors Sanford and Spitzer!

How contradictory, unless you look through the veil and see that the human race with all its seeming wonderous science will exterminate itself in wars and aftermaths of disease within 100 years.

The Maths, the aftermaths & the beforemaths of Population Kinetics" (http://depts.washington.edu/rfpk/rd/index.html) all say this is true, yet people still cling to the self serving wall-street propaganda that the richer we get the fewer children we have. The current and projected growths of the total world population just don't support that :

Will it take the last man standing and his very last breath to aver that the theory of 'economic-growthist extermination of the human species' is in fact true?

The probability IS approaching unity each and every day with each and every institutional profit-taking oscillation of the NYSE index.
Posted by KAEP, Saturday, 11 July 2009 1:47:02 PM
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