Wing Ah Ling

You write that 'Christians start with scripture and moral precepts, '

100% right while Wing. Secularist start with pseudo science and immoral precepts. You sum it up well.

Child molesters indulge in activities that help maintain their cover –making friends with parents of targeted children; becoming the trusted employee in a school; undermining the target child’s credibility by encouraging other adults to regard the child’s behaviour as problematic – unreliable, deviant, a liar. This isolates the child; increases their dependency on any ‘kind’ adult and helps ensure that if the child seeks help she or he won’t be believed.

Paedophiles and some opportunistic child molesters will congregate where ever there’s an opportunity to indulge their proclivities. That they’d emerge in church schools is hardly surprising and I don’t think it has much, if anything, to do with being ‘repressed’. I think it has more to do with the availability of children who won't be listened to and believed, and a system (Church or any other) where a molester can operate with impunity.

It’s been a long time since religion exerted much influence on sexual morals or behaviour. I would say that Alfred Kinsey, a dedicated atheist, has been the major influence on sociosexual mores and behaviour since the 1970s at least.

One of the scientific community’s greatest shames surely must be that of the Kinsey. As pointed out by Dr. Judith Reisman, Kinsey was sado-masochistic and his collaborators; at least one a known paedophile – took it upon themselves “…to recognize and interpret the boys’ experiences.” (p. 177 from his book, Sexual Behaviour in the Human Male (or The Kinsey Report):

http://www.amazon.com/Sexual-Behavior-Human-Alfred-Kinsey/dp/0253334128/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246105105&sr=1-2#reader

p. 177: “… orgasm has been observed in boys of every age from 5 months to adolescence… Orgasm is in our records for a female babe of 4 months.”

The children’s responses that were interpreted as a sexual climax or orgasm include, “…convulsive action, often with violent arm and leg movements,,, sometimes with weeping…” (p. 177)

p. 178: “… 32 percent of the boys 2 to 12 months….. 57.1%... of 2- to 5- year olds…” [were observed to “reach climax”].

This is a complex but very worthwhile reading experience about Kinsey's impact on the law and definitions of child sexual abuse and rape: http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/fbi.pdf

G'Day All; Nothing will stop this treatment of our children until the Legal Profession is prepared to clean thier act up,then the Courts, then the police who are responsible for taking the complaints & the investigation of those complaints.The whole trouble is that these organisations are not immune to having people in thier organisations that treat our children this way. Then one must not forget the Government Bodies that are so-called The Child Protection Bodies(DOCS etc). How many children have been abused or died whilst under thier supervision. The big problem is that adults think that this world is thiers but it is actually the childrens world & we are only care takers. Stop cover ups get rid of the sex as sex is not love & love can't be made as love IS. Thanks. Dave

G'Day All; Adding to my last post. The so-called "low life" mainstream crims had a code that they called "The Ten Commandments" & the first 3 were (1)Thou shalt not molest a Child,(2)thou shalt not abuse a Child,(3)thou shalt not burn a family home there could be a Child inside. Anyone that broke those rules were subjected to serious retribution but the Courts these days wont gaol offenders of this nature as they "know what will happen to them" so they put them back on the streets. To take the innocence of a child by any form of hurt is unforgivable & further does not carry a gender format except CHILD ABUSER but the "good people" consider the crims retribution is "barbaric" & must stop.Thanks again for your time. Dave

Well Brother Shane you certainly have assumed the "split" you use as an excuse.

In one paragraph you acknowledge that many children were victims of shocking crimes at the hands of the Christian brothers, "it is plainly obvious that many horrific things were experienced by many of the boys" and then in the very next paragraph you start splitting by using language such as:

"should be brought to justice if crimes have been committed"

" to those proved to have genuinely suffered abuse of any kind."

You go on "None of this is an excuse what has been done to the victims of the abuse. It was criminal and inexcusable"

And now for the major split....

Our legal system systemically protects the abusers of children. In SA, until quite recently there was no legal recourse if these crimes had been committed before 1984. Read Robyn Latham's report into child abuse published in SA in 2003 to understand how sic kingly few perpetrators of child abuse get any sort of punishment through our judicial systems.
You then have the absolute audacity to suggest that our judicial system works against these accused priests
"On the other hand I know of some who have maintained their innocence but have been advised to plead guilty to avoid.....

What about the MANY MANY MANY victims who are dead, drug addicted, in prison or mentally ill.
MOST of them never did/do receive ANY form of Justice and retribution.

Your whole article makes me feel that the brainwashing you people operate under is alive and well, just a bit more subtle.

And if you use the word VICTIM , there has to be a PERPETRATOR.
ACCUSED is not a match. COMPLAINANT is.

The only two things you say that I can agree with are:

That the catholic church is responsible for people within it's ranks who have a
"very warped way of looking at oneself and the world."

And "It is easy to see how such people, put into a religious hothouse, untrained and overworked could become" split" personalities:

Thankyou for being honest if not somewhat confused.

I think I know why sexual abuse goes on and why it hasn't stopped and why those victims feel ignored/forgotten.

Example:

"I am a victim of child sexual abuse for which has carried on into my adulthood, i am struggling to get answers or have someone be accountable, my mother was able to manipulate everyone in the family and the government, the government helped mother hand my daughter over to the same person who sexually abused me and i am punished for it.Please " "Posted by shattered.dreams, Friday, 26 June 2009 10:32:41 AM"