Why Australians will NEVER see true Renewable energy:

Australia is about to change its brand name to PONZILAND INC

Here is the prospectus for new investors or immigrant citizens(Immisits).

http://www.dfat.gov.au/facts/global_economy.html\

All ponzi schemes have key lies in their prospectus. Here are ours:

*sophisticated financial, legal and management support services (that no-one can afford)

*cost-competitive location high-quality information and communications technology (not if telstra can help it)

*strategic location in the fast-growing Asia–Pacific region (the antipodes?)

*affinity with Asia, coupled with an American–European business environment(real Aussies believe Pauline Hanson)

*favourable time zone (if you own a private jet)

*economic and political stability (until Ponziland crashes)

*attractive, safe and friendly environment (like passersby being shot in the head from a Muslim-KFC Milperra gunfight)

*an Asian-oriented, culturally diverse and multilingual society. (only in ethnic enclaves mate!)

People at the top echelon have already booked flight future-option QF-666 to Iran as a hedge for when the PONZILAND scheme collapse.

Iran is the only country on the planet that is not part of the great 'Warl Street' ponzi scheme.

Iran's just a plain old dictatorship.

its worth reading page 11 and twelve of this expose of goldman/sssax..on the global carbon tax scam..the rest is describing how they exploited previous bubbles...

http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/06/goldman-sachs-engineering-every-major.html

Sorry, this is just one more voice calling for delay on the transition to a low GHG economy. R&D for large scale energy storage has been badly neglected - not needed in the past or present, only in the future, therefore low priority. Compressed Air shows great potential, and the use of stored heat for Concentrating Solar does look capable of giving 24hr a day output (though not multi-day at this stage) and grid improvements can reduce storage needs. But no-one wants to invest in major grid upgrades, except as extensions of fossil fueled grid and of course so far there's no carbon price to provide economic incentives to change.

Like too many commentators - and decision makers - Martin doesn't appear to get the "serious" and "urgent" parts of what climate science is telling us; transition to clean energy only if it's cheap, regardless of how serious or urgent?

Come on, lets roll out renewable to the fullest capacity we can whilst upgrading the grid and fast-tracking baseload power like Geothermal. And even be looking at IFR nuclear, if it ever gets certified, for the future ( though I think Geothermal, CAES and thermal storage would be enough for baseload in Oz). And don't blame the Greens for not fast-tracking nuclear - if mainstream Australia and mainstream political parties supported it the Greens are irrelevent - and a lot of small 'g' greens could be enticed by the ability of IFR to run on long lived nuclear waste, not need uranium mines at all for many decades and isn't suited to weapons.

There are hundred of thousands of acres of Savannah Woodland in the over 35 inch rainfall belt, in northern Australia, where eucalypts grow. As any grazier will tell you if you knock down a eucalypt forest and do nothing for ten years in that sort of rainfall country, it simply regenerates thicker than ever. A baseload power station of about 30 megawatts, needs about 50,000 acres of eucalypt forest to support it, and by strip felling in ten year cycles would sustain power generation forever.

Practically every plot of 50,000 acres would have a suitable site on it to capture enough water to sustain the plant and the ash returned to the soil, would speed up regrowth. Such a biomass based system is used by the cane farmers in some mills in FNQ, where they generate electricity from bagasse, and sell it back to the grid.

A totally new plant using two boilers was what was required, and logs could be stockpiled for the wet season when access to the land is impossible. A feasibility study for such a plant was carried out by a Tafe Student in Cairns ands made interesting reading. The Cairns hinterland has numerous suitable areas. It also has its share of tree huggers, but their main concern is rainforests, which don’t yield as high an energy coefficient woodchip as eucalypts. There are lots of old mining dams, which could supply water without further dam building

One on here suggested wind generators on every house.
Not practical. They are too low down and the really big problem with
all wind generators is that output is proportional to the cube of the
wind speed. This means that there is negligible output until the wind
gets up near maximum design speed.

A friend of mine retired from the nuclear reactor industry tells me
that there are designs that can reuse and reuse the fuel with
processing between steps ending up with quite low radioactive waste.
He worked at places like Selafield and designed power reactors so
he knows his way around the industry. He was a senior scientist.

Those that oppose nuclear power are living in the past.

“This means that there is negligible output until the wind
gets up near maximum design speed.”

Bazz, sorry to disappoint you, there are many small wind generators producing good output in 2.5klm winds, particularly ceramic magnet generators. I made a vertical generator producing 100 watts at 5 klms and at feather speed, produces a kilowatt, it cost me less than $1000 and it's only 5 metres above ground, it's how you site them which counts.

We've been hearing they're close to a cure for cancer for the last 50 years, yet there's many more cancer sufferers and varieties now than 50 years ago and it's the same for all fossil fuel technologies, promises and deceptions without results, whilst Rome burns.

Of course in cities, wind on every house is impracticable, as is solar. Large cities are past their use by date and in the middle stages of collapse, just as we've seen throughout history when cities grow to the point of imploding by infrastructure collapse, elitist greed, system breakdowns, impoverishment, suppressive and negative vested interest approaches by bureaucrats and governments.

Those supporting nuclear power are living in the past, supporting anything which will maintain their single point control over society, our future and the collapse of the planets ecology. Single point energy production is primitive, expensive, unreliable, polluting in every way and detrimental to everyone, except elitist vested interests and the brain dead.