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The United States and the ties that bind : Comments

By Brendon O'Connor, published 9/4/2009

Does Australia have a special, or a dependent relationship with the United States?

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Analyst Brenden O'Connor's article skirts the realities of US Foreign Policy, and President Obama's pledge to pour more troops and resources into Iraq and Afghanistan to exacerbate the putrescent quagmire there. He is seeking $ 83.3 B from Congress to escalate the War.

Since 9/11 the troubles have magnified threefold, with 13,608 US fatalities and 8731 NATO forces ( Sources: International Institute of Strategic Studies ) The US is entering a period of policy transition, with no end in sight. There is a dearth of new thinking regarding security policy with so called experts from Defence Secretary Gates and the CIA. Anecdotal evidence convincingly reveal Americans feel less secure now then when GWB first gambled on dubious intelligence, and launched his Saddam / Oil expansion. Of the latest 17,000 troop deployment 5000 are security agents. This seemingly new phase puts paid to the hollow rhetoric of closing down Guantanamo, restricting covet Abu Ghraib torture cells, and winning the psychological hearts-and-minds of the Taliban. If History be repeated, the Afghani's are in for a rough time.

The US Military presence promotes more conflict, according to a UK news poll with 78% in agreement. Another: " do you agree the US is playing the role of the World's policemen ? ".Only 7 % disagreed. Further responses overwhelming denounced the Military primacy in the Wars against terrorism. Since Sept 2001, the cost burden has balloned to one trillion greenbacks - the equivalent of Aust 2008 GDP. From $ 510 B,2003 to $ 650 B four years later. Jane's Information Group, estimates the US spends World wide 41 % on Defence, whereas competition and adversaries 16 %, and Allied Nations a mere 29%.

As the recession bites, and the Obamaesque stimulus package squandered, the US Defence Budget is suffering chronic delirium tremors.It will finally impact as unemployment reaches 10 %, and fiscal realities and public opinion reverses. The Fed printing presses, treasury bonds, and spiralling public debt is a lesson in unsustainable economics. The present Admin is on borrowed time.

There will never be any respite in either Iraq or Afghanistan.At least not while
Posted by shellback, Saturday, 11 April 2009 7:57:40 PM
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Our ADF boast a Defence Budget of $ 50 B over 5 years, which is reputedly 2.4% of GDP, despite CIA Fact Book, suggesting otherwise. The calculations just dont add up. Like everything else, there maybe a Political extraneous explanation. Importantly, external debt is nearing $ 1.5 trillion, and our current account deficit $ 43.8 B. Public debt is $ 15.4 % GDP.

Can we afford the luxary ?
Posted by shellback, Saturday, 11 April 2009 8:40:48 PM
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Australia has a weak and subservient relationship with the USA. This was horribly obvious when the knowledgeable Gareth Evans tried in vain to gain an Australian seat on the Security Council and it was commented that the USA already had a second seat (the UK) three would be embarrassing.

Australia a young and brave country has to progress further to be admired not only by the USA but by its allies in the Pacific and Asia where its real interests lie. The USA has had reached its zenith in 7/11. President Bush lost it friends, allies and respect to listen to the leader of the world lie to the entire world covered the USA with disdain and disrespect which will last with it for decades to come.

It is only a matter of time when its influence in the world will wain considerably and Australia should be allying itself closer to China. Just as it dumped Great Britain for the USA as it recognized the USA’s strength in comparison to has been GB so too it must start to distance its interests with the USA and demonstrate the strength it has in an independent foreign policy and at all costs it must look first and for mostly to its own interests in its own part of the world.

The USA has no special interest with Australia even if Australia might delude itself that it does The USA only throw it a scrap of no real substance of support when it needs it. Otherwise it has done nothing "special" for Australia and to even begin to compare the relationship to that of the USA and Israel is utterly naive.

Australia it is time to earn your own place in the world. Dump the Queen of England and dump the President of the USA follow your interests and show a truly independent foreign policy not that of a fawning 'Sheriff".
Posted by drooge, Sunday, 12 April 2009 11:28:20 PM
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continued ..at least not whilst Halliburton Inc, and a plethora of senior Military officialdom preside over the reconstruction of both countries. Corruption, bribery, complicity, even murder rivals Bernard Madoff'd ponzi scheme. It incriminates the present Government, Ministers, and contractors galore.The US Internal Revenue estimates the conspiracy involving $ 135 B simply disappeared. It's obvious the much acclaimed pullout is cynical nonsense.

Veteran Bill Hannity of CBS fame, who has been covering the Afghani situation for over 20 years and travelled the region extensively, dismisses " experts " as five minute thrill seekers, who despite their academic background, and Phd's, read too many war stories, and watch too many Rambo movies. He predicts, there will be no winners, and after years of American diplomacy and ineffectual military incursion, the War will sap the neo-con, hawkish resolve, and like Vietnam, the country will be abandoned as just another lost cause.Who can forget the way the Americans abandoned their South Vietnam allies at the closing of the US Embassy, admist all the chaos. The Afghani's are a resilient people, used to adversity, and have survived invaders for centuries. Deeply religious and possessing an appetite for battle from early youth, thay are easily insulted ( by western standards) and bare interminably long grudges. Joel Fitzgibbon take note.

Now, it's been uncovered, the Karzai Govt are implicated in another scandal over the opium trade, which when compared to the cartels of Columbia,Equador, Mexico dwarfs it's enormity. President Karzai, an ethnic Pushtun, and ex member of the infamous Mujahideen who fought the Soviet occupation 1981 was a CIA operative. Two of his six brothers, all US citizens are involved with links to the mafiaso. It's been reported Military aircraft were used to trasnsport cargo loads of opium, avoiding Custom's surveillance, using Military bases, and transport. One can be assured the clandestine operation would have been on a grand scale and involved the collusion of senior personnel.

Whatever next ?
Posted by shellback, Monday, 13 April 2009 8:33:58 AM
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Our ties are mainly for elitist economic reasons, the USA will not protect us when it's needed, they'll be to busy protecting themselves. We obtain our defence requirements from over seas, our defence forces are fitted out with inferior equipment reliant upon foreign companies for re-supply. Our defence force is incapable or sustaining a defence against invasion for more than 3 days, then we run out of everything. Our strategic position for communicating with forces and submarines around the globe is why they are here, If they could find another stable country providing the same benefits, they'd drop us like hot cakes.

The current approach to defence is unsustainable logistically and economically. It would run into billions current and past governments have wasted on equipment which doesn't work. In the past we designed and built our own ships and weaponry, now we have useless heaps of unwanted USA junk.

If we had our own defence industries as in the past, we'd save lots of money create lots of jobs and keep the money in the country. Invasion of this country is particularly difficult, the japs realised this The only real threat of invasion comes from our northern neighbours or those after our resource base.

We can only survive by being independent, we don't need nuclear weapons, just highly efficient and a well armed and trained force. We need the USA like a hole in the head, we may soon see our troops in Afghanistan trapped and isolated as Pakistan falls under the control of sharia Islam. Afghanistan's a landlocked country, surrounded by hostile Islamists, supplies go through Pakistan by road. We rely upon the USA to supply us and for backup. Once the supply lines are cut and the Pakistanis ban fly overs, we may see our troop casualties shy rocket.
Posted by stormbay, Monday, 13 April 2009 10:19:27 AM
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While us Aussie troops were upset with America for near enough allowing Hitler to capture Britain along with most of Western Europe, we had to be glad when the US saved us from the Japs and indeed took West Europe back from Hitler.

It is so interesting that devotion between us and America seemed to happen more during that wonderful US forgiving period after WW2 especially with the inspiring resolution for the Marshall Plan.

However, America's unfortunate double-speak since concerning democratic reasoning in the ME mixed with colonial contraband coupled with the cuddling of Israel again reminds too much of a Pax Americana-ism we hope we can do without.

One now just waits wondering how with an angry possibly justified Iran, how it is all going to end, only hoping that Obama can produce the miracle that helps us once again to respect America.

Regards, BB, WA.
Posted by bushbred, Monday, 13 April 2009 8:23:44 PM
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