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Commonsense fairness - CEO pay : Comments

By Klaas Woldring, published 16/3/2009

The issue of huge payments to CEOs has finally reached crisis proportions.

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I don't necessarily subscribe to the "pay peanuts, get monkeys" theory, but it seems evident to me that any cap will inevitably drive high-performing CEOs overseas. This is the hurdle which needs to be addressed.
Posted by TurnRightThenLeft, Monday, 16 March 2009 9:39:49 AM
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a logical, fair and useful voice!
Put a cup on CEOs income!
But we must be careful, do not leave any hole to cup on CEOs income!
No more than $300.000 per year, combined!
In USA the chief of Bank of America Kenneth Lewis was paid $16.4m in 2007, of which just $1.5m was in salary. Jamie Dimon, JP Morgan Chase chief executive, was paid $1m in salary in 2007 from a total package of more than $30m.
NOW IT IS TIME FOR SOME LIMITS ON CEOs INCOME.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide
Posted by ASymeonakis, Monday, 16 March 2009 10:42:30 AM
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You refer to these peple as though they're like athletes on some "level playing field", or combat soldiers at war, or even (egads!) like so many workers that actually perform clearly defined tasks under pressures against time, against space, and against the frustration of stupid decisions and other bad leadership and poor example from managerial and executive elites.

Overpaid CEOs typically meet no such criteria: they're oligarchs who vote each other into boards and onto bonus packages, notoriously so when they FAIL spectacularly. The evidence for this is overwhelming, "in your face", and still coming through the business news.

In the banking and hedge/equity fund area, such people have shown a bankruptcy of intellectual and moral nature now so obvious in the financial aspect of their businesses. Why would anyone keep falling for the lies of such greedy people, already fully proven for their collective incompetency and fraud?
Posted by mil-observer, Monday, 16 March 2009 10:50:19 AM
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In a previous career I worked with the Bank of New South ales. In the early 70s, the GM (The BNSW didn't use term MD then) earned $104K, a large branch manager $10K and for comparison a school principal $8K. Today, the MD of Westpac (nee BNSW) is paid $20 million. I doubt a branch manager is paid $2 million. $150K, perhaps?

What has changed is the relativity. That is, MD salaries times others in the organization's salaries.

Any cap needs to a multiple to community and industry norms. Not necessarily an absolute figure.

Catch is, the Company will circumvent leglislation. That is why there are loop-holes in the first place.
Posted by Oliver, Monday, 16 March 2009 11:44:14 AM
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At the moment the tax payer wields the stick to restrict CEO salaries.

If a corporation accepts tax payer funds to rescue it from bad investmenst or provide government guarantees then CEOs should have their remuneration restricted to the same level as the Prime Minister. If a CEO is worth more than the Prime Minister they clearly don't need to be bailed out. If a corporation needs to be bailed out, the board has demonstrated its poor fiscal management skills thus the board's wages and fees deserve to be capped.
Posted by billie, Monday, 16 March 2009 11:50:05 AM
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billie, in case you hadn't noticed: the taxpayer is now UNDER a big stick wielded by the government, which is made up of various spin-doctoring minders for those of their posh-school mates among the boardroom hogs and investment-speculators (or in Turnbull's case, an actual club member himself).

Of course the bail-outs were quite unnecessary. So the intention is for that big stick to be used to force the taxpayers to keep paying for all the bail-out pork - and more besides, like a revamped, globally enforcing IMF.

That big stick is ready, at least for when all the lies don't work anymore e.g., "we're reforming the system"; "it's all because US banks gave poor people house loans"; "state regulation caused this"; "we should have been using special rainbow-drachma currency from from the Wizard of Oz", etc.

Just remember how not so long ago Gordon Brown (advised by that genius Sir Al Greenspan) sicked the Blairite anti-terror laws onto Iceland!
Posted by mil-observer, Monday, 16 March 2009 12:35:05 PM
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I will vote for any party that promises to limit CEO salaries to ten times the minimum (not average) wage.
"Parachute" packages should be limited to one month's salary for each year of service,
Posted by nwick, Monday, 16 March 2009 12:44:20 PM
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Rather than imposing arbitrary limits on how much companies can pay their CEOs, it makes much better sense to impose high levels of taxation. That way the actual sum still retains its 'prestige value' in the executive's CV, but the majority of it is directed to public use. The first step is to include the rorts of 'salary sacrifice' and 'share options' in the overall package, Then levy tax at a rate of, say, 80% for any annual package of $1 million or more.
Posted by Jon J, Monday, 16 March 2009 2:22:25 PM
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Jon J,

Major companies would simply pay them off-shore in low tax havens
Posted by Oliver, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 9:34:36 AM
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Oh no! That would be such a catastrophic "brain drain"! They're our best and brightest, geniuses all. And remember: pay peanuts and you get monkeys - pay shiploads of peanuts and you get really greedy, stupid monkeys...

And all the while we have a smashed education system-cum-bordello trying to squeeze ever more dodgy money out of foreigners. A disgrace of double standards, as usual now.
Posted by mil-observer, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 2:05:58 PM
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*If a CEO is worth more than the Prime Minister they clearly don't need to be bailed out.*

Billie, there was a report in yesterday's West, about the salaries
of heads of universities. They were all earning around the 600k$
mark, or double the salary of the PM. Based on your logic, we
should sack the lot of them!
Posted by Yabby, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 8:50:02 PM
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Every reply to this forum has missed the reason as to why CEO pay is so high. Thus ask yourselves WHY?

Its simple; the government interferred and made superannuation compulsary. This resulted in an explosion of funds across Australia and across the globe as modern Western governments have gone socialist.

It was these fund managers that voted for the rise in the PAC-Brand CEOs pay at their AGM in an orgy of self congratulation. In Forbes magazie top 400 earners for 2007, more than half were fund managers (some earned more than 2b). It is these people that have the power and are indeed the masters of the universe.

Compulsray super is a fascist idea and it has led to massive distortions in the free market. Interesting to note that the people wanted it because they believed in FREE money when in fact its been a giant Ponzi scheme that will rob workers of their life's savings.

The financial world need to shrink by 70% with at least 20% unemployment. Until that happens the real economy will continue to be raped by the financial world. We need real free markets, no gov interferrence and no credit inflation. All we need from the gov is the enforecment of basic regulation and rule of law - nothing else.
Posted by GovernmentsAreTheProblem, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 9:39:11 PM
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