Bennie,

I'm OK about giving Runner a bit more oxygen. He could be right.

For example, see:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=charles-darwin-confessions&print=true

" ... had not the Archbishop of Armagh, James Ussher, calculated in 1658 the Earth's age accurate to the day? Accordingly, God must have created our planet on the night preceding October 23, 4004 B.C. on the Julian calendar."

The mischief which can be had, though, when one sets an exact date, is not limited to the whims of the Bishop of Ussher and/or his(long since departed, I trust) cronies.

If creation could have happened then, if the Bishop convincingly argues that the world comes into being, something out created, of nothing (I confess, I don't know whether the Bishop was referring to the first day or the 7the day, but he has established a principle)lock, stock and Fossil Record, then there is nothing whatever to say that the univers was created 5 seconds ago, Lock Stock and Fossil Record, plus redshifted galaxies, uranium decay daughters, my email archives and this particular (and all other) internet sites and content. Not necessarily in that order of importance.

Note that I said "convincingly", not "correctly".

But runner could be right. Runner, is there a consilience of inductions you may offer, rather than just a lot of sniping at a well-accepted theory?

David F,
And it follows from your statement and the mechanisms of OE that some of us are more of the monkey and others of us are more of the mushroom. But we are all distant cousins of the broccoli. And the cockroach.

Grim,
Thank you for pointing out your website. I expect I will get back to it at some point in the future.

Runner,
If you expect me (and probably some of the other readers here) to take you seriously, you will need to cogently address the questions and replies put to you, rather than repeating the same assertions without otherwise arguing them. Naturally I would be pleased if you gave my question an articulate reply.

There’s not much more I can add to the good responses to runner’s last answersingenesis.org copy and paste job.

Well said everyone.

Dear runner,

The human body is far from perfect and I repeat, no human would consider it an acceptable design. The human body is riddled with flaws:

-Forearms that break far too easily when falling forward;
-Ectopic pregnancies;
-A shared passage for ingestion and respiration;
-The appendix, which can kill when infected;
-Retinal detachments;
-Weakness in the abdominal wall caused by the protrusion of testes that can later develop into hernias.

And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

But if you are going to continue to make accusations of fraud and dishonesty, then you at least need to give examples. As it stands, the only apparent dishonesty in this thread, is your own.

And how could any sane town planner put a fun park in the middle of a sewerage plant?

Nicely said adam, divid.F yes the wonders are all around us and is far better than the ones in the mind. But I had an interesting thought just now that links two theories together.

In the big bang thread, I said black-holes will all join, suck everything back in again and BANG! it all starts again. I believe extremely hardy micro-organisms can survive this great event and may actually live upon the minerals in the rocks and then Mr Darwin's water pool theory just maybe the second ingredients to stretch one legs so to speak.

Where the first organism came from may never be known, but for me, life started here from volcanogenic vents and if just one of those little aliens likes its new surroundings, well, again! just look around you and tell me god created it. (lol. Sorry! the wave the magic wand thing is just too hard to swallow.)

I am going to figure all this out one-day.

I know its a long shot theory, but I feel the importance to speak the mind, cause I believe somewhere in a thought, the answer waits to evolve.

EVO

Continued.

Insects and plants have the strangest chemicals of all living things and they are extremely hardy as well and if we go all the way the food chain, the tougher they get. Primitive life can live in a nuclear power-plant and I can go on,on,on about other life forms in the most hellish places and they function quite well and multiply.

So as our own planet cooled, something thought it was paradise. So life in my opinion is spread right though-out the uniserve. Earth 6.5 billion V,s uniserve age 13.6! So some-where in conditions far different to ours, highly likely in my opinion.

Or like a said before..." Life just begins, in very special places.

Like this one!

All the best.

EVO

Grim is disgusting!

But, the planner was well ahead of present "economic rationalsists" - she/he obiously placed economy above ecological considerations.