So SJF tells us Netanyahu has made no secret of his desire to nuke Iran; Bushbred is "right with him" on this. OK twits..show us the quotes or facts to back this up. Get googling! Find some evidence or shut up.

Meanwhile, after they fail..and we can see that these blokes live in la-la land, the real question is why anyone should want to be "friends" with the nutters in Teheran.

David F, though presenting a reasonable summary of the causes of current conflict between the US and Iran, starts off with the puerile assertion that the US fails to recognize governments which it "dislikes", as if it's just a case of "Spain let us down in Iraq by withdrawing; we'll now refuse to recognize them"!

Any country which is not a(liberal?) democracy is an illegitimate state..pure and simple. Any dictatorship (the afore-mentiones governments) which threatens the US does NOT deserve recognition. They are thugs who have taken their whole country hostage..then murder, torture, rape their hapless citizens AND attempt to provoke the US into harming more of these self-same hostage citizens, in wars and through boycotts/embargos.

Honestly..what would any of you apologists for terror (ie govt run internal terror) think if an Australian Govt started rattling sabres..or even sending bombers, to antagonize other countries like China or Indonesia? Would you be cheering them on "Go tweak their noses Kevin "(or "John" in the past)? Or would you be thinking "this bloke is a fool. He's playing with fire..and it's US who'll get burnt" Get real, lefties.

Hero worship of thugs is for corrupt demagogue lovers..not serious bloggers. Which are you? cheers.

As a trained political historian in a modern democracy might ask what is the correct way to analyse today’s political problems, particularly in the Middle East.
There is little doubt that today’s Middle East conflict is nothing like the major cause of both WW1 and WW2, both huge castrophies which rather disgustingly began mainly between two Western nations, Germany and France, finally both bringing in the rest of Europe and Russia, as well as the United states.
Ttoday’s conflict, because it is so religious, is much more worrying because it so lopsided, Western Christianity being gigantic in military capacity, while Islam, comprising the major anti-white Western forces , though huge in people power, is so pitifully low in regular armanents it has to resort to terroism.
The point is how does a trained historian go about this problem, which in some ways resembles my personal problem when I wrote a series on Westralian history called A Land in Need, in which some readers later told me I had been too sympathetic with the murderous Aborigines who in th early days attacked white settlers homes and viilages which were not protected by the military.
To close on Iran, which so many of our OLO’s fully agree with the Bush terminology of Iran as an evil state, while personally I turn to the story two years ago about the Iranian female judge who angrily replied to a suggestion how Iran would be much better learning the American Way to true democracy, to which she hotly replied -
Yes, it is true that we could do with democracy, but certainly not fashioned on the American Way.
Certainly any democratic Aussie political historian should be allowed these days to think the same.
Finally, please to remember that both the US and Australia , one big one tiny, are really both military-industrial complexes which cannot really be regarded as true democracies in today’s bargaining world.

Dear bushbred,

When I read 'heroic Iranians" I thought are the Iraqis cowardly? Which army one is in is mainly a function of where one is in time of war. I was in the US army in WW2. Had I been born Japanese and been there during WW2 I would have been in the Japanese army. Anyhow Thomas Hardy says it well.

The Man He Killed

Had he and I but met
By some old ancient inn,
We should have set us down to wet
Right many a nipperkin!

But ranged as infantry,
And staring face to face,
I shot at him as he at me,
And killed him in his place.

I shot him dead because--
Because he was my foe,
Just so: my foe of course he was;
That's clear enough; although

He thought he'd 'list, perhaps,
Off-hand like--just as I--
Was out of work--had sold his traps--
No other reason why.

Yes; quaint and curious war is!
You shoot a fellow down
You'd treat, if met where any bar is,
Or help to half a crown.

Thomas Hardy

punter57

'So SJF tells us Netanyahu has made no secret of his desire to nuke Iran; Bushbred is "right with him" on this. OK twits..show us the quotes or facts to back this up. Get googling! Find some evidence or shut up.'

Tell ya what ... I'll do both. I'll provide some evidence AND I'll shut up. You might consider doing the same.

Quote 1:

'Benjamin Netanyahu, the frontrunner to lead Likud into the elections, said that if Sharon did not act against Iran, “then when I form the new Israeli government, we’ll do what we did in the past against Saddam’s reactor, which gave us 20 years of tranquillity”.'

Source: Times Online, UK, 11 December 2005:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article757224.ece

Quote 2

"'Former Prime Minister Netanyahu, opposition Likud party's hardline chairman who opposes the US-backed Annapolis peace process, reiterated to President Bush his stance, that a pre-emptive nuclear strike against Iran's nuclear installations was the only way to stop the Islamic nation's nuclear weapons ambitions./"I told him my position and Bush agreed," Netanyahu told Israel Radio [today]."

Source: Veterans for World Peace, 10 January 2008
http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/?Page=Article&ID=9104

seems 'shutup' works for both sjf and punter57.

Impressive very very impressive.