Have any of you put HAARP into Google. If what I have read about this military weapon, then much global warming phenomena are generated by games being played with this monster.

It is claimed to be able to make clouds rain or not rain,the country freeze or not freeze as in Afghanistan. Freeze it for the Russians, warm it for the Yanks. Snow in Baghdad? The anecdotal reports from the Nothern Territory are scary.

Maybe if we stopped HAARP, things would settle down.

Quick Response

As this debate indicates, political leadership towards better environmental policies will only occur when the majority of society supports such policies; politicians are pragmatic and will only reflect public debate (Rudd and Turnbull).

You may not like to hear it, but your ideas are yet to win the debate with real votes. Over 80% of Australians still give their primary votes to Labor or the Coalition to balance economic, social and environmental needs. In other words, a clear majority of Australians do not see the Greens as a plausible govt.

You focus on what is desirable, although that is also debatable, I focus on what is likely.

Ozandy,

"I've been following the climate change issues for over 15 years and the science *is* now settled...for those who know what science is."

Unfortunately, the chief climate body, the IPCC, disagrees with you. They acknowledge huge gaps in knowledge on climate, such as the dynamics of water vapour. Moreover, their figures from one report to the next (a mere 7 years) vary, so something must not be "settled". In fact, science is never settled, it progresses, and our most robustly accepted theories, such as evolution, are still subject to testing and research. If the science is, as you say, settled, can we now stop funding all the ongoing research, as I can't see what purpose it is serving?

I am neither motivated by profit, nor am I a "God botherer", but a believer in rational, or at worst, school level debate, so I invite and encourage you to challenge and refute any of the above statements instead of just hurling abuse in the hope it will hide your ignorance.

Ah, we're all dead. We just don't know it yet:-)

So much doom and gloom, it really is exciting isn't it. Like the paperless office and the Y2K bug. As I heard in a song once, the real problems in life are those that hit you on an idle Tuesday.

runner,

'A change in climate will come when/if Israel is nuked by its enemies. Many of the professional protesters are now giving climate change a rest while they protest in favour of the terrorist (Hamas).'

That's quite funny. And possibly too true.

Col Rouge,

'Socialism by Stealth',

I don't know if I've heard you say that before? It does have a nice ring to it. Shhh, don't say it too loud or they might know we're on to them.

AGW is a religion. One I enjoy watching. You get to see the earth worshippers get ever and ever more excited, the envious go tusk tsk to the rich, the self flagellation of the rich who then continue talking the talk without walking the walk, the hilariously inane and ridiculous inconveniences otherwise sane people put themselves through in order to grandstand how environmentally friendly they are, the joy of watching politicians try to please everybody with conflicting goals, the hypocrisy of those who say 'do something!', but 'it better not cost me MY job!', and 'Why is petrol so expensive?', the targets designed to just do enough to look like you’re doing something without actually having any real effect. Ah I can go on forever. It's a wonderful world.

BTW: I am keen on stopping pollution even though I am AGW sceptic. I have the luxury of being able to financially afford this ideological position as I know it wont hurt me too bad personally. All the other heathens and holocaust (sorry AGW) deniers had better mend their ways too though, because if I can do it so can you!

Q&A,

- I think it is diabolical to suggest to a senior that their mind is failing them and not elucidate where.

- I think it is diabolical to accuse someone of hatred for disagreeing with you.

Until you address these comments with any integrity, don't expect me to pay a whole lot of respect to anything you say.

Ozandy,

No doubt you were around in the 70's when the 'established science' insisted on global cooling. You seem to be full of it (gullibility that is). You need to come up with some evidence before insisting on it being disproved. If the predictions by the likes of Gore and Flannery are anything to go by you are in serious trouble.