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Zero immigration and sustainable populations : Comments

By Eric Claus, published 5/11/2008

A high immigration intake does not benefit the average Australian.

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An excellent article, Eric.

The comments are also very good. You should take note, though, of the control of the mass media, and therefore the shaping of public opinion, by the same business elite that donates heavily to the politicians. This shaping has been less successful with euthanasia, which is also against the economic interests of the business elite, because people often have personal experience of friends or relatives dying in agony.

This graph from Club Troppo shows the share of national income going to the top 1% of the population in various developed countries over time.

http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/08/24/policy-and-perhaps-culture-matter-for-income-distribution/

Note that these rich people do relatively best in the Anglosphere, where immigration rates also tend to be the highest, and that inequality was lower in the middle of the 20th century when there was little mass migration. The US cut back immigration to near zero net in 1921 and kept it that way until 1965.

Reasoning with growthist politicians about the dangers of collapse or the harm they are doing to disadvantaged people is likely to be a waste of time. If you are concerned about what unending growth of population and/or consumption is likely to do to our environment and our children's prospects, the only weapon we ordinary people have is to put the growthists last on each and every ballot paper, and incumbent growthists last of all.
Posted by Divergence, Wednesday, 5 November 2008 11:48:59 AM
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A long overdue article, carefully crafted with expert evidence to back it up. Those of us who have long raised legitimate concerns about previous and future outcomes of high immigration, such as the author mentioned, have been labeled as racist for far too long and we're sick of it.

Now some other lot can be slapped with racist red herrings, not the immigration naysayers.
Posted by Inner-Sydney based transsexual, indigent outcast progeny of merchant family, Wednesday, 5 November 2008 12:00:01 PM
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Well done Eric,you are preaching to the choir.I`ve been saying this for years,its time to shut the gates Australia,do it, do it now.
Posted by no privacy, Wednesday, 5 November 2008 1:15:54 PM
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Well done Eric,you are preaching to the choir.I`ve been saying this for years,its time to shut the gates Australia,do it do it now.
Posted by no privacy, Wednesday, 5 November 2008 1:15:55 PM
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A very good article and I cannot find anything to dissagree with.

Except how he perceives the relationship between big business and government. I also think posters are too kind on the governmet in this regard.

The reason governments favour high immigration is simply because big business makes large donations to both the major parties. "He who pays the piper, calls the tune". The author explained why big business wants high immigration. So it does not matter which of the majors is in power.

Bov Hawke brokered a deal between the major parties NOT to openly debate Immigration issues, so there is no debate and we do not get a say or have any influence over what is decided.

The Greens have a low immigration policy but keep mum on the issue because they want Labor preferences to get their senate seats. They are just hypocrits and the two majors are fraudulant.

I will copy this article and distribute as far as I can. We really need to force this issue.
Posted by Banjo, Wednesday, 5 November 2008 2:25:18 PM
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Another top article pointing out very relevant facts.
I suspect the pollies are somewhat held to ransom by the Pauline Hanson effect: Stop immigration and you have lots of minorities branding you racist. There will be many legitimate families begging for the rest of their family to be allowed to join them.
Then there is the media: when it goes to war on an idea the politicians are not going to use mere facts against the irrisistable force and mandatory friend of Media. So it is easier to pick a target with a chance of winning than to attack someone else's sacred cow.
The fact that the Press is so enamoured of dodgy theory and so negative on journalism (*any* balance = "left wing bias") is really a big issue!
Then there is the loony religious section (alas, no longer fringe) who believe God gave them Earth as a playground to soil and abuse as they wish. For them any scientific idea is suspicious. These ultimate "kidults" are probably the biggest danger going forward for they can be goaded into *any* militant stance by the correct application of dis-information.
Posted by Ozandy, Wednesday, 5 November 2008 2:33:06 PM
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