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GM crops deserve more reasoned debate : Comments

By Albert Weale, published 6/11/2008

Debates around the potential benefits of GM crops for developing countries must be reasoned and evidence-based.

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Agronomist.
I agree there is a lot of scientific humbug/misinformation out there regarding the perceived risk of ingesting them.
Like most people I am not qualified in the relevant scientific disciplines to be able to make a scientifically informed decision.

Notwithstanding this the issue that needs addressing is the one you avoid. That of the efficacy “life science Corporations" (sic) when it comes to their pursuit of profits. One doesn’t need to be a geneticist to observe that these corporations have little regard for individuals particularly when it comes to their enormous profits.
Sheer logic tells you that if there weren’t enormous net profits the chemical Corporations wouldn’t have morphed into LSCs, purveyors of GM Seeds.

These Corporations clearly aren’t interested in a competitive market place. See www.competitivemarkets.com
Rather their interest is in being gatekeepers of world agriculture. From a business perspective this is the ideal situation, but as history adequately displays in any such battle the poor suffer. Put another way Lord Acton’s dictum must be considered “Power corrupts and absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely.”

One could also point out that very little R&D get done on plants that don’t result in massive profits for the Corporations.

This indifference to humans weighs heavily on the consumer. If you can’t trust the source the outcome is equally suspect (GIGO). I would also point out that just because corporation avoid sanctions that doesn’t mean they are innocent.

Currently there exist a belief in Mega Corporations that because of Hydra structures and size they are virtually untouchable….too big to be allowed to crash (e.g. Wall street Banks)

In essence I’m saying that if one can’t or don’t trust the source then the product must engender real fear. Under these circumstances it is impossible to separate the source/means from the result. Any GM advocate therefore needs to assuage the concern about the Corporations' morality first.
Posted by examinator, Saturday, 8 November 2008 6:33:58 PM
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under one god, the quote(yes quote) actually compares gm and non-gm farmers, somewhat favourably for gm growers. I haven't assumed that all growers have chosen to grow gm cotton, but apparently most have.

"BY WHAT MEASURE IS THIS LONG TERM EFFECT ATTRIBUTABLE TO GM"
well interestingly enough the farmers can actually afford to send their kids to school and don't have to resort to exploiting said children for labour. Spraying crops regularly is time consuming.

"if health has improved how did mon-santano physiclly cure people"
prevention is the best cure of all. Less chemical exposure-less problems. Less stress could be beneficial too.

"beware of believing those who decieve"
well said, perhaps you need to have a real look at what you're taking as credible information eg terminator genes, Indian suicides or bees.

Shock/horror that a company could actually be driven by profit, I can't believe it in this day and age. The ABC Learning model is much better. belly up and all.

Tell me, did you make up the "my satan" bit yourself?
Posted by rojo, Saturday, 8 November 2008 11:08:40 PM
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GM frightens me. I am not a scientist but my gut feeling is 'avoid it if possible'. Producers and advocates of GM foods also use the point GM foods will enable us to feed the starving people of the world. Three points here...

1. Someone still makes a profit by feeding the poor.

and

2. IF it's so safe, why is America giving away their GM produce to starving nations?? Because they can't sell it!! It's called 'Foreign Aid" and the farmers still get paid.

and

The third point is ... by interferring with nature , the world population will continue to grow. We can't afford the luxury of over populating the world. Over population is part of the world's problem. Then again, maybe GM can solve that problem too..... GM crops so the consumer is left infertile ::)
Posted by Mally_p, Sunday, 9 November 2008 11:20:36 AM
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dicki, I am not a scientist and I am not educated in GM production, however I am smart enough to know the big research centres all have a vested interest in reaching a specific finding. My gut feeling and my common sense (all beit female) tells me it can't be good for me. Like medications, GM has to have a - or many - side effects. As I have stated... leave me out of GM produce.
Posted by Mally_p, Sunday, 9 November 2008 11:33:52 AM
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Hello Mally

Rest assured the female species does not require a science degree to accurately assess the ignominious history of the manufacturers of GM products.

Agronomist states of poor farmers he believes are benefitting from growing GM crops: "They also save time by not having to spray insecticides more than a dozen times a year.

"In both China and India, OH&S for pesticide use by small farmers is non-existent. They frequently poison themselves. Back in the early 1990s more than 400 Chinese farmers a year died through accidental pesticide poisoning."

Agro's assessment is indeed modest. Hundreds of thousands have died directly or insidiously from pesticide poisoning. And are the manufacturers worried? Only over a reduction in profits.

1. So Mally who manufactured these heinous pesticides in the 50's and who continues to flog these lethal pesticides off to developing nations despite the fact that the Stockholm Convention's edict is to minimise and eliminate chlorinated pesticides and insecticides?

2. Who is promoting, manufacturing and pushing the GM technology on to all nations on the planet?

Answer to 1 and 2. Monsanto et al.

You are indeed a wise female and why should we do deals with these tyrants - the "empire builders" who are driven by an unrestrained greed and have the moral and ethical development of a gnat!

Cheers

http://www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/Monsanto-Coverup-Dioxin-USEPA15nov90.htm
Posted by dickie, Sunday, 9 November 2008 12:50:10 PM
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http://www.responsibletechnology.org/utility/showArticle/?objectID=212

http://www.seedsofdeception.com/Public/GeneticRoulette/HealthRisksofGMFoodsSummaryDebate/index.cfm

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The Documented Health Risks of Genetically Engineered Foods

Section 1: Evidence of reactions in animals and humans.

1.1 GM Potatoes Damages Rats (see full content)

1.2 Rats Fed GMO Tomatoes got bleeding stomachs, several died

1.3 Rats Fed Bt Corn had multiple health problems

1.4 Mice Fed GM Bt Potatoes had intestinal damage

1.5 Workers exposed to Bt cotton developed allergies

1.6 Sheep died after grazing in Bt cotton fields

1.7 Inhaled Bt corn pollen may have triggered disease in humans

1.8 Farmers report pigs and cows became sterile from GM corn

1.9 Twelve cows in Germany died mysteriously when fed Bt corn

1.10 Mice fed Roundup Ready soy had liver cell problems

1.11 Mice fed Roundup Ready soy had problems with the pancreas

1.12 Mice fed Roundup Ready soy had unexplained changes in testicular cells

1.13 Roundup Ready Soy Changed Cell Metabolism in Rabbit Organs

1.14 Most offspring of rats fed Roundup Ready soy died within three weeks (see full content)

1.15 Soy allergies skyrocketed in the UK, soon after GM soy was introduced

1.16 Rats fed Roundup Ready canola had heavier livers

1.17 Twice the number of chickens died when fed Liberty Link corn

1.18 GM peas generated an allergic-type inflammatory response in mice

1.19 Eyewitness reports: Animals avoid GMOs

1.20 A GM food supplement killed about 100 people

Section 2: Gene insertion disrupts the DNA and can create unpredictable health problems...
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its enough said
im over it
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 9 November 2008 1:43:03 PM
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