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Manufacturing, jobs and low technology : Comments

By Valerie Yule, published 9/10/2008

Low technology has opportunities for our manufacturing industries and jobs, and is a fast way to help cut carbon emissions.

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Many of us could do with a little less "technology". For example, driving to the gym before walking on a treadmill is typical these days. (I've done it myself).

Having said that - I don't think that "low tech" is very marketable as a term. Those words have a very negative connotation to me. For example, I wouldn't want Australians to be digging up our coal and uranium by hand - only to sell it to advanced countries. That'd be foolish. And the same applies to food really. And bridge building... and medicine and so on.

I think that what we need is to use advanced technology in a careful way.

So how about "considered and balanced use of technology". Or better yet, balanced consumption. We buy to much crap basically.
Posted by WhiteWombat, Thursday, 9 October 2008 8:34:59 PM
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The value of the Forum is shown in how comments can contribute to what articles need to say.

A Non-Farmer got to the point of this article, which is about Australians manufacturing quality products for future needs.

And yes, Non Farmer, it is essential that products perform well. When the magazine Good Weekend ran a series in which readers tested new products, it was shocking how many products had even basic design faults. I got a power mower because my old hand-mower was not much good; now I have a Flymo (once made in Australia but no more) hand-mower that is better than the power mower. My Whirlpool twin-tub has a shockingly poor inlet hose, but clothes don’t tangle; my old Hoover was perfect except it could tangle clothes and a part became unavailable - or it would still be going, 25 years on.

Yes, White Wombat, ‘low technology’ does sound derogatory, just as ‘deep orthography’ makes English spelling sound impressive, and ‘shallow orthography’ makes Spanish spelling sound silly. A better but still snappy word is needed. ‘Balanced technology’ describes the whole approach well - use what is needed.
Posted by ozideas, Friday, 10 October 2008 8:02:16 AM
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This thread sees simple solutions to simple problems.

Unfortunately, it ignores the big complicater or Elephant in the room

Simple manufacturing is no different to simple anything, one person has a resource which makes widgets, another person has a desire for widgets.

The complicater, the government decide the manufacture of widgets will be "regulated". The unions decide the security of "traditional" widget workers is of paramount national importance and decide to organize against the profitable widget manufacturer.

The costs of disruption and regulation push up the cost of the finished widget.

Plans the widget company had to expand their production facility to supply all of Asia with widgets are hamstrung with government planning permission issues and local government land improvement taxes and the unions, who want to maintain worker parity of output, regardless new automated machines would be used (which would see the additional demand produced with the existing staffing levels).

In the mean time. The Aussie widget companies main rival, All Nippon Widgets have opened up a new facility in Thailand where they can make widgets, free of Aussie bureaucratic regulations, for 60% the Aussie current price.

The Aussie manufacturer, instead of expanding production, closes shop and all manufacturing is lost.

The moral of the story, if you want locally manufactured widgets -
then governments, their bureaucrats, councils and employee organizations have to acknowledge the benefits they derive from local widget manufacture and work proactively to the long term with the capitalist widget business owner, instead of reacting to a given political mantra and the expediency of the moment.

Manufacturing is not the simple thing it seems. When dealing with even modest capital commitments, the viability has to be justified at every step.

The folk who take the risk deserve reward, everyone else, employees, governments and their bureaucrats are merely the "beneficial bystanders" who profit from the energy and effort of those who deployed innovation and visions to overcome those risks
Posted by Col Rouge, Friday, 10 October 2008 8:51:31 AM
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Once the con of global warming has been exposed, [& it won't be that long now], & the perpetrators who have known the facts, are on trial for treason, we can look at this question of waste.

The first correction should be to assemble all these usless writers, & researchers, & give them a real job.

First, give them a push mower, & an allocation of 4 Km of road verge to maintain. For those given country roads, we could let them work in pairs, so they had someone to bull sh4t to. It would be cruel to take that from them.

Then, with the other million of them, give them a machete, & a hoe & a square Km of mational park, [they like those], to clear of noxious weeds.

If they ever get on top of this, there is the same job to be done on our range lands.

Of course, they should be payed what they are worth for their work. Do you think 50 bob a day, & keep would be too much? I would prefer to err on the generous side, but that might be going a bit too far. What do you think?
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 10 October 2008 10:38:04 AM
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Dear Ozedias, Col Rouge, 'The Elephant in the room', and HasBeen,
Let's put the pushmower aside. My old man had one and gladly parked it in the corner when Pop, (Grandfather) circa 1960, bought the town's first Victa as a laboursaving device. (Notice the LabOUR bit was spelt just so).

It is so incredibly difficult to get the message across to Australians that if they do not exercise their own intellect enough towards discriminating quality from crapola - then in the final circumstance they will literally be enduring crapola for the perceivable future.

In other terms - since Australians have for the last decades done nothing much more than sat on their arses, and accepted that, collectively, they are little more than ciphers, pawns, 'consumers' (and here we touch upon another 'Opinion' thread about the ABC, etc.) essentially being told 'what to buy' and 'how to buy' by little ladies with good legs thrashing about, on camera, holding clipboards - then in that case they/we have all fallen for the trap.

So - are there worthy pastimes?
Hell Yes.

Kev mentioned the other day - horseriding and Trapshooting.
This means that our PM is into both dangerous and socially unacceptable activities.

Unbelievable!
Posted by A NON FARMER, Sunday, 12 October 2008 9:03:52 PM
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There can be little argument that green/low tech creates more jobs, with less hazardous waste than megacorp "solutions". I'm horrified at the current bailouts going on all over the industrialised West (and autocratic East) as it will only perpetuate the present unsustainable fantasy of never ending growth & expansion, the perfect description of cancer.
My car is 30 years old and cost $1,000 seven years ago. I can take it apart & put it back together which I cannot do with one of the electronically controlled toys now infesting our roads.
There is a major disconnect with the uses of electricity - it is insane to use it for heat (thermodynamic loss is 1/3 at each stage of conversion, from coal to electricity to heat) whereas it is unequalled for radio/TV or even, at a pinch, motive power.
Storage of energy is only a problem if one thinks of batteries. The 19thC technolgy of pumping water into high storage to use as hydro power later is far superior and has no nasty by-products, in fact can be used for other purposes in the meantime. Low tech = more employment. Simple and anathema to the BCA.
Posted by amphibious, Tuesday, 14 October 2008 7:45:05 PM
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