Jenny E

Bringing up your view of history might ease your conscience. We are not talking about what godless men did in the name of Christ hundreds of years ago. We are talking about killing little babies now in 2008 in Australia. Try sticking to the topic instead of pushing your godless propaganda. You and I will be judged by God for our actions now not those of pagans centuries ago!

RobbieH your point would hold if politician's views were known at election time. It's not something they talk about on the hustings and very few are asked about it by the media.

On the other hand, once an elected parliament debates and then passes legislation in favour, anti-euthanasia advocates overturn it - not by themselves, but at the whim of the party in government. All decisions in the matter - for or against - are effectively conscience votes.

Runner - God's on the side of the Murcans in Eeraq. Bush told the world as much, and that he was told by Him to smite the evildoers. I don't recall you saying anything about killing innocent born people. Please, be a little consistent when talking on His behalf.

Could the anti-choice brigade stand up and identify themselves for what they really are?

Theocratic fascists.

Before you start quoting silly old books and sillier old men try thinking for yourself.

Who suffers more an aborted fetus or an unready mother?

The point made by Jenny E is perfectly valid Runner because you "Goddy" folks tend to forget history, especially recent history.
Go to a 3rd world country where religion is still controling society and see how the "professionals" behave over there.
They put their religion first and their profession second and the result is the dog-eat-dog mess that humans have put up with for 20,000 years.
The triumph of Western society is in the secular notion of Truth first, dogma second. If God *really* agrees, then there will be an experiment that all can repeat to prove this.
It is from this that modern medicine arose and this is the philosophy that should guide profesionals. It involves a level of humility that the Goddy folks literally cannot imagine.
[Imagine thinking that the universes architect is taking to *you*, and all other ideas are "wrong"! How amazingly arrogant, (or scared silly which is more often the case and why the Goddy types are so unstable)]
To repeat a point I made eartlier today: Anyone who puts a cluster of cells on par with a talking, breathing human is perversely ignorant of nature, and is just looking for an excuse to behave badly to another person.
BTW. Conscience vote is the only option in our democracy to avoid group-think. Very useful when the "right" thing to do is unpopular.

Unwanted Children or forcing people to have unwanted children is about an inconvenient truth.

IF you think about the unborn child, than think closely about the childs potential life-quality or possible whole life-span (and potential life-struggle), or as life truly is now for many (many, many) unwanted children.

Capitalism for example is not working for the moral health or well-being of whole families and is particularly hostile to the mobility of single (especially young) parents.

Nor does mainstream community structures, religion, governments or the health system itself embrace the economic and emotional historical realities which do impact 'wholesale' on individual unwanted children.

Australia needs to get real serious about how distressing life can be, for the unwanted child.

So many children are conceived in less than suitable moments and circumstances. In these cases they are unplanned and considered (no matter how quietly) an 'accident'; having been conceived in the back a car, under the table, on the bosses office floor, in darkness behind the bushes. For many children, their birth was merely about two people having sex after a drunken party or high night at the pub,

If we want to get ethical on what to do for the rights of all parties on the issue of 'abortion', then it is time to talk openly to those already born 'unwanted', who know (for whatever reason) that they were/are born a inconvenience, an accident, as yet another child, unwanted.

Imagine living through a childhood where you as a child were not celebrated as a gift, and because of it there is aggressions, tension, only mixed-conflict around love.

Where is the truth (among all our mainstream policies and ideals) for that child, a child born unwanted AND without love.

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This reality is the opposite to what we'd hope for all children, and it is why it is unfair and highly irresponsible to shift the onus toward a unknown born child, to be left struggling, to deal with day to day life, over an entire life-span.

It is we who hope they might find a way to overcome the unbearable sensation, of being "unwanted".

Imagine a life where parents (for what ever reason) act-out their guilt onto this unwanted child. Where (consciously or unconsciously) they treat the child as a burden, hindrance... hassle... destroyer of their cares adult freedoms. With denial.

Where do we go with prevention, or the potential "a kid at risk"?
Consider the common disadvantageous projections ‘the unwanted child cost to much to feed,’ or gets blamed for all things inadequate or bad that occur... .indeed, a (stressful) reality that is happening to unwanted kids in Australia.

Our mindfulness must for this reason be focused on the quality life-span of the potentially (said) unwanted child.

In her extensive work, with people in crisis, toward love and genuine safety, Mother Teresa of Calcutta said “ there is nothing worse in the world than being a unwanted child”. In her call for greater awareness she said” "If you judge people, you have no time to love them."

As a women, I understand the deep sense of grief for a child who is unwanted as clearly as I understand the cost of war, terror and poverty on families.

An unwanted child in mainstream is a displacement equal to the way we treat people who have been displaced as migrant refugees.

For an unwanted child the real crime is their invisibility, a burden that without greater awareness, is by no means, a "two way street" .

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