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By Stephen Kirchner, published 10/9/2008Housing affordability needs to be tackled from the supply-side: building more houses, not giving consumers more money to spend on existing housing.
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Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 1:55:14 PM
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Bazz,
Your argument doesn't explain why it is just the price of land that has gone up and not building costs, which have been essentially stable for more than 30 years, nor why cars and electrical goods are very much cheaper in real terms than they were 30 years ago, even though people have more money. No doubt if the wife's income wasn't counted, land prices would be lower, but they would still absorb all the money available. There is only so much land within reasonable commuting distance of a major city, where people usually have to live if they need a job to survive. The only reasonable explanation for what is happening is that it is deliberate government policy, although the government and its corporate donors want the high immigration for other reasons besides driving up land prices. Another advantage for the politicians that I didn't mention is increased government revenue from stamp duty and other taxes. Posted by Divergence, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 9:37:00 AM
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House building costs went up as there was a step change
when the rules changed and applications for loans offered two incomes. Prices have been stable in terms of two incomes since then. The change occurred in around 1975 so you probably never saw the change and you think it has always been like this. Land went up by more because there is less competition in land sales to builders. The developers are the ones who make increased money. The builders just pass it on. The only way the problem can be fixed is to borrow on one income. Then the price of houses will match income available. Can it be any other way ? Houses just have to affordable or they will not sell and the price will be reduced until the house is sold. Simple isn't it ? However it will be harder to go back than it was to make the blunder in the first place. Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 6:12:02 PM
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Bazz,
Given the competition for the limited supply of land within commuting distance of a city, the couples who both work and save most of their two incomes for years to put up a very large deposit, in addition to whatever the bank may lend them on the basis of one income, will be the ones who win out. The total amount of money involved may indeed be less, but the stress on people is likely to be as great. There simply isn't enough land to go around, unless people are packed in at very high densities, which are not conducive to raising children. See Prof. Bill Randolph's "Children in the Compact City" http://www.aracy.org.au/AM/Common/pdf/2006_ChildFriendlyCities/2006301006%20Children%20in%20the%20Compact%20City.pdf The only cures are decentralisation and an end to massive government sponsored population growth, i.e. mass migration and incentives such as the baby bonus. Posted by Divergence, Friday, 19 September 2008 9:26:26 AM
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Oily;
Anyone who believes that exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. Kenneth E Boulding Posted by Bazz, Friday, 19 September 2008 4:38:16 PM
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Why is it that I am the only one who knows why housing is so expensive ?
It is simple stupid, lend on two incomes and the price of houses
matches the money available !
From the time women pressed the government to force the lending
institutions to lend on both incomes the price of housing rose to
meet the amount of money available.
It is market forces lesson one.
Then on top of that you have a high level of immigration.
To alleviate the problems of cities like Sydney and Melbourne stop
the issue of development applications.
There is no other way to prevent Sydney and Melbourne growing.
It would force development into country areas which has been state
government policy for years.