PolyBOA answers my question, "Who will be next?" with this gem: "Well I hope its the Saudi bloke I met a while back who told me with regard to verse 29 of the 9th chapter of the Quran.. (fight them who do not believe).. that the 'Jihad will continue to the end of the age."

All the evidence he needs that a person should be locked up is that he is a religious nutter. So watch it David, there could be a cell for you to.

Polly Carper probably breaks the law by telling us breathlessly that ASIO can't reveal "...certain means of surveillance... [because] it would jeapordize [sic] future effectiveness of that surveillance..I know because I made part of the equipment."

The mind boggles at people live Polly having State secrets like that and, with the brain the size of a flea, thinks he's competent to jump from being a technician to being a judge.

It's OK for our self-styled guru to be able to know top secret stuff, but "There is no way known...that such things can be revealed to the public".

The prejudices of the author are manifest from the moment one reads the short snippet of the title which refers to the "fake war on terrorism".

"Fake war on Terror"? Thats a slogan straight from the green socialist basketweavers weekly. You just know with a start like that there's only rubbish to come.

I wonder how FAKE you imagine that the passengers on the jets flown into the towers at 700KMH thought it was? How about the victims of 7/7 eviscerated by chunks of bus metal moving at a couple of thousand metres a second? I really can't imagine they thought that was being faked?

Its funny that the left, who have been in bed with so many totalitarian regimes and place the importance of "community" above the importance of the individual, can find the time to care about the individual at the expense of the security of the majority in this case.

Steel says >> "Theoretically, ASIO could have prevented the WTC attacks had they investigated and passed on information about these calls"

Mate do you still believe in the tooth fairy?

You don't have the first clue about security issues. ASIO is a secret organisations which funnily enough does much of its work secretly. They don't advertise their successes. So all you hear about is their failures. I really don't know where it is you get the gall to criticise the job they are doing when you have NO IDEA whatsoever what the real circumstances of their day to day work is.

Why don't you move to some socialist paradise somewhere where they do things your way? Oh wait on, I know why. If you complained there like you complain here they'd have you shot or beheaded without trial.

I say there is NOT ONE secret that the general public could not deal with.

There is not one actionable FACT that the general population could not take on board, and deal with better than any combination of spooks, sly-boys and secret-mongers.

Any spook will tell you that 99% of actionable intelligence is already out there in the public domain anyway.

Go ahead and give me ONE example (since WWII) of the noble secret-mongers actually making the world a better place. Don't give me any of that old flannel about protecting sources and methods - it won't wash.

Whenever secret activities accidently make it out into the fresh air, we are invariably startled to learn that it is our OWN spooks who helped to shoot us in the foot.

Because the whole worldwide ball of wax has become a creature of unscrupulous politicians and their corporate owners - and only dark threats put the best food on a spook's table.

No-one is cleverer than all of us.
No-one is tougher than all of us.
No-one is more ethical, wiser, far-seeing, all-knowing than all of us together.

- that's the big secret they don't want us to discover -

Paul.L <<Its funny that the left, who have been in bed with so many totalitarian regimes and place the importance of "community" above the importance of the individual, can find the time to care about the individual at the expense of the security of the majority in this case.>>

Now that's a curious contradiction. There are two possible immediate explanations of the apparent logical inconsistency.

1. The 'left' is confused and doesn't know whether it wants to be 'in bed' with totalitarian regimes or wants to be 'in bed' with individuals.

OR

2. Paul L is confused about 'the left' and doesn't understand what he is observing. 'The left' is an ill-defined and hackneyed term that lazy or dim-witted people trot out whenever when they find their own conservative position challenged. The political world doesn't divide neatly into two simple categories - 'left' and 'right' except in the most simple minds.

In fact, there could be a third or fourth explanation (or even more) of the apparent contradiction that Paul L thinks he sees:

3. That both community and the individual are valued by lots of people and there is no contradiction because these are not competing positions.

4. That caring for the individual is a crucial component of caring for the security of the majority. If we are silent when an individual is imprisoned without due process, we endanger the whole of a society.

<<ASIO is a secret organisations which funnily enough does much of its work secretly. They don't advertise their successes.>> So how do we know if they are doing the job we pay them to do? Should they be doing an even better job? Don't know. We can't know. It's a secret.

<<Why don't you move to some socialist paradise somewhere where they do things your way?>> Some can't move. Their passports have been taken away.