Don Aitken
This thread has obviously meandered off-topic. I would be happy to discuss Noel Keenlyside's paper with you, but obviously not here - your whole article/discussion has degenerated into a slanging match, something of which you yourself seem not too unperturbed about.

Froggy wrote: "The two links you gave me were written by some PR hack, NOT a scientist."

Why would an exposé of the personal profiles of deniers need to be written by a scientist??

If you want the opinion of climate scientists, see a climate science journal:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/100247/

Reading the abstracts, you see that they are all accepting that the current regime of climate change is caused by humans, a fact that you can't seem to come to terms with.

to Q&A: You are right about the way in which the thread has wandered off the original point. But in my experience this is usually the case for any thread that gets a decent number of posts. It seems to develop a life of its own until something new arrives in the main blog and people go off to that.

I am neither perturbed nor unperturbed about it. I'm really not sure what you had in mind. I can't do anything about it.

Keenlyside: you are right, now is not the time and this is not the place. It will come up somewhere else soon.

Don,
Cheers, another time and place.