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Is climate 'the' issue, or is it just one of many? : Comments

By Darren Lewin-Hill, published 26/6/2008

A recent debate asked if 'climate change is the only issue'. But is there really a need to determine a winner in a photo-finish?

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Yep, the debate was a no-brainer.

The oil crunch and how to keep societies and countries that are so profoundly dependent on this cheap energy source from fracturing and imploding is THE issue of the moment.

Genuine sustainability from locally to globally is the background issue. Population size and growth is the most important part of this.

Climate change really is a side issue....and an almighty distraction!

If we deal effectively with peak oil, that is; with changing economies due to ever-rising prices long before actual shortages of supply, we will be dealing with greenhouse gas emissions more effectively than we possibly could be if we just concentrated on climate change.

If societies fall apart or become highly stressed, there will be scant little chance of united coherent efforts being made to effectively deal with climate change. Actually, whether societies do implode or whether we wangle our way out of the crisis and develop non-fossil-fuel energy sources, either way more will be done to tackle greenhouse gas emissions than any effort to address them directly and in isolation of other huge issues.
Posted by Ludwig, Friday, 4 July 2008 8:22:31 AM
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The truth is, since Australia's manufacturing industry is becoming more weaker, such as South Pacific's decision to shut down, with 600 jobs lost, most manufacturing and industry is going to China, or other countries.So industry and its pollution is going to these countries, most notably China, so the need for climate change in Australia, if implemented won't change climate much, because Climate change is a global issue, so if china is producing 99 percent of the world's goods, then whatever Australia does to change 'climate' would be minimal, and would indirectly affect normal ordinary citizens with unnecessary increases in petrol and electricity causing hardship and slowing an already weak economy.

For an interesting read on garnaut's climate change report follow the link below and make up your own mind.

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:PT5Ne23HQrgJ:www.lavoisier.com.au/papers/articles/EvansQuadrantMarch2008.pdf+fraud+Garnaut&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=21&gl=au
Posted by Climate_Change, Saturday, 5 July 2008 11:59:42 AM
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Australia's actual carbon footprint is not relevant, and therefore is unpersuasive, as an argument for doing nothing. As Garnaut has pointed out, Australia can play a leadership role to promote the necessary global action, and this is indeed in our best interests given Australia's vulnerability to climate change. We cannot quarantine ourselves from these effects in a global environment - including a global atmosphere - we all share. I would also argue that it would in any case be immoral to do so. As Garnaut is now doing, we must work out how the costs of effective climate action can be equitably shared within Australia, and around the world.

I am somewhat bemused that the Lavoisier Group (refer to the URL in previous post) has been cited in support of arguments for doing nothing. I leave it to readers to Google this Group's role in opposing action on climate change.
Posted by Darren Lewin-Hill, Saturday, 5 July 2008 12:21:09 PM
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Ahhh yes ... Ray Evans and the Lavoisier Group - nuff said!

So what is it with you tag 'Climate_Change' ... are you too a front for this neo-con deny and delay brigade?
Posted by Q&A, Sunday, 6 July 2008 10:25:09 AM
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