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You really are a dishonest creature. What nudes of the 16th and 17th century and my view (along with Mr Beatties who smacked his kids) of child discipline has to do with photographing nude 12 year old girls is beyond me except to highlight that my world view is biblical while yours is secular. You are a constant defender of the the pervert industry and the best you can do is to call my character into question while defending a warped photographer. Well I have good news for you. I have no righteousness or goodness of my own. Without Christ my views would be just as if not more warped than yours. Thankfully the Sinless One became sin so I could view things through God's eyes rather than that of those who are so caught up in their lusts that they can't admit that child porn is wrong even if a few 'elite; label it art.

"Thankfully the Sinless One became sin so I could view things through God's eyes rather than that of those who are so caught up in their lusts that they can't admit that child porn is wrong even if a few 'elite; label it art."

Thankfully we as a populace support secular governments, that (in theory) use their judgement on a case-by-case basis, based on rational thought, rather than dogmatically applying the foggy-minded prejudices of an archaic superstition.

You can find this in plenty of places around the web:
"Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own
father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his
flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your
master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that
is present in humanity because a rib woman was convinced
by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree" .. enough said?

Dear Ms. Johnston: Instead of accusing Bill Henson, how about focussing on exploiters of children and young people such as big business, advertising and fashion? Children are targeted as consumers at a younger and younger age, models who may be of age but look younger are used in a sexually exploitative manner. But I guess all those industries make us too much money to attack? Artists are a much easier target. Oh and please, please could you learn to use the apostrophe?

runner,

Let me tell you the difference between a Biblical view and a secular view. A Biblical view assumes that everything that is written in whatever holy book is perfect, eternal and does not need verification. The secular view assumes that all knowledge is imperfect, changing and that all propositions require verification. That's why there's sophisticated religious people who call themselves "secular Christians", or "secular Muslims" or whatever. They have faith (albeit not knowledge) in the eternal realm outside of space and time. But within it, they will will use secular reasoning.

What does this do with renaissance nudes, Henson's photography and the beating of children? Quite a lot really. In the first two cases, according to all the empirical evidence available NO HARM IS DONE. However the same can not be said about corporeal punishment, the physical abuse of children.

The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) in an official policy statement rejects corporeal punishment, the Canadian Pediatrics Society "strongly discourages" it as it leads to negative outcomes and the England's Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health and Royal College of Psychiatrists state it is "wrong and impractical ... it is never appropriate to hit or beat children". UNESCO and the United Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child also call for the prohibition on corporal punishment. Apart from immediate compliance corporal punishment has negative effects on all other child behaviour - *including* the ability to determine right from wrong.

The physical abuse of children, even when 'applied with love' and even when sanctioned by some holy book is an utter wickedness. Any who engage in should be removed from the community into psychiatric care. Yes, and that includes you and the appropriately-named Mr. Beattie. There is something seriously wrong with a person's mind if they think it's OK to beat a child.

the topic has drifted in many directions...but real street facts is what is little reported nor may know...

from what I have observed...child being offered for sex on the streets of an asian country...there is some common presentation...the child is with an adult, both well dressed, the adult always been female creating first impression child with mother...child been around six to eight...child looks very comfortable in situation...

male is selected on street seems to be impression of having money...so most westerners...child gets and hold the males attention with friendly smile, progresses to subtle adult sexual signals...and usually wearing coat\jacket slid of shoulder in provocative way...all in public...observing them without being noticed is difficult, the women very cluey...and disappear quickly...

what troubles me is that the child seems comfortable and happy to comply to adult female...like what she needs to do to be cared for...

while the blitz on pedophiles viewing photographs is on full scale...street child sex seems very poorly addressed...and for child who has to perform sexual acts is much worse on scale to me to having photo taken...

I think if the governments wont act then the common people must...taking video of this trade and producing that to police and ensure prosecution follows...with full execution of law...will end this terrible street trade...

Sam
Ps~I dont have a problem with prostitution, as long as its legal and all parties properly protected...its age old business...women who offer sex for gain will always exist with men willing to pay...never a child...in this day and age even having to discuss the existence of this speaks very poorly for humanity itself...

"Ginx -......It probably wouldn't hurt you to have a 'hiatus' in which you can reflect on why it is that you are unable to discuss this issue...........

..........viscerally and mindlessly, to ban what>>>I and many other intelligent, moral and reasonable people<<<regard as legitimate art....

.....otherwise brilliantly discursive person to have such an apparently closed mind....

Do come back whenever you like :)"
Posted by CJ Morgan, Thursday, 12 June 2008 12:06:37 AM
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I'm awaiting approval of the thread that was buzzing around in my head.

Meanwhile;..........seriously. Has anyone ever mentioned on OLO that you post in exactly the same way as BOZO? Sans biblical references of course. But it's the same!

Strewth! Disagreeing with you results in smooth condescension flowing like a tap!

Vintage BOZO!

Thanks for the permission to return 'whenever I like'. Of course I don't need your permission, and as I once said to your alter ego I do not structure my posts to meet with your approval. That much is glaringly apparent to both of you by now, I reckon.
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R0bert mate, you are very kind. We have opposing views on many things including this topic, so your words have more impact with me than someone who was wholly supportive.

I have got on and off!, with most people on OLO, and I am perfectly at peace with that. I do not follow any doctrine and will never tow any 'party' line. I am perversely chuffed that I have been offside with the Right/Left/Religious/Atheist.
I won't be missed and Brownie's Honour;-that suits me.

It kinda makes your post a bit spec though. I remember when Ludwig said something nice (thanks again Ludders!), a whiley ago. It was the most moving thing to me, because it came from someone I had locked horns with.......as well!

My thread, if approved says something that was really flashing in my face. I'll hang around for the beginning of it, but then I'm away.
My current preoccupation is going to necessitate some travel so I'll concentrate on that.

Thank-you again kiddo!