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Are we civilised? : Comments

By David Horton, published 11/6/2008

So you think Australia is a civilised country? Take this test to see just how civilised it really is ...

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I think a simpler test of how 'civilised' we are, would be in how we treat our children; both living and those to come.
We have already treated the next generation abominably, with land speculation, burning valuable hydrocarbons, stripping forests etc., but how much thought do we give to children 500 or 1000 years from now?
When we talk of 'civilisations' we talk of political systems which span centuries.
In our political system, 'long term' is more than 8 years.
I would suggest the true test of whether or not we are democratic -much less civilised- is the ability to accept that we are all equal.
The stumbling block is, if we are all equal, then our children must also be equal, everywhere.
When we accept that all children born and unborn for generations to come, have just as much right to be loved and cherished as our own children, then we may be able to make some claim to being civilised.
I agree with Till. The first step is to stop using uourselves as benchmarks; automatically assuming we are right.
Before we attempt to remove the splinter from our neighbour's eye, first we should remove the plank from our own.
Posted by Grim, Sunday, 15 June 2008 7:29:05 AM
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The optimist thinks things are about as good as it gets. The pessimist thinks he might just be right.

Personally I believe we could be better; our condition is always a compromise.
Posted by bennie, Sunday, 15 June 2008 8:40:50 AM
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This is hilarious. Make up your own test. Load the questions to suit your point. Make a few smug comments. Then observe that your point has been proven.

And this from a guy who appears to have had a serious academic career. Hope he doesn't load up his serious research this way.
Posted by Nick Ferrett, Monday, 16 June 2008 12:57:54 PM
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Fortunately or unfortunately this test means nothing.

Whilst it sounds like a good idea, the reality is, “civilised” is so many different things to different people that the only way of answering the test would be to question the populous before hand and read back the opinion of the great unwashed and then allow for diversity of opinion, which means all answers are equally right and equally wrong.

Ultimately, a really ‘civilised’ country accepts and tolerates the diversity of the people who compose its population (like artists who take photoes of children equally with a womans right to choose) and has a government which respects their diverse values (by minimising its interaction in peoples’ daily lives; instead of planning and meddling in the minutia of their existence, from cradle to grave and levying excessive taxes to steal their discretionary income only to spend on pointless bureaucrats and "handouts for the hopeless").
Posted by Col Rouge, Monday, 16 June 2008 2:03:32 PM
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