The NZ interview with Bob Carter on U Tube is well worth watching, no matter what your views. I, for instance, have never given any credence to the human cause/CO2 argument; but Bob Carter says that it has a slight effect on both warming and cooling. Certain human activities have a warming effect, others have a cooling effect. Nobody knows which is which, according to Carter.

Carter also believes that scientists are so subjected to bullying on climate change, that we simply don’t know what the ‘consensus’ really is.

Give Carter a go. We should all stop expressing uninformed opinions based on political views, and start listening to people with no personal axe to grind.

Doesnt the use of the word HYSTERIA in the title of this essay say it all re the authors position.
And frame the parameters of his presumptions too?
And also limit all possible rejoinders?

Meanwhile, I dont know if it is relevant or not, but there is a new report in the "news" which points out that the percentage (or rather parts per million) of carbon di-oxide in the atmosphere is at an all time high, and that this fact alone is having, and will have all kinds of enviromental effects.

This idea and the factuality of the CO2 factor was first written about by Bill McKibben in The End of Nature.

1. http://www.billmckibben.com

By the way Bill is also a commited Christian and profoundly conservative in his attitudes altogether. Conservative in the sense promoted by Orion Magazine and Wendell Berry.

1. http://www.orionmagazine.org

Berry recently wrote an essay in Harpers Magazine re the absurdity of the bigger and better at all costs ruling paradigm. Faustian Economics. He has spent his entire life promoting the only REAL politics and culture, namely Small Is Beautiful

Berry also wrote two essays in response to Sept 11. They were/are profoundly conservative in their content---conservative in the REAL sense of the word.

The essays were titled: Thoughts in the Presence of Fear and The Idea of a Local Economy.

I would suggest that Wendell Berry is a far more apt mentor, companion, and source of Wisdom, for the author of this article than Carter or any of the one-dimensional IPA clones and their simplistic sophistries.

Bennie,

What absolute rubbish.

The Author says >> “It has become commonplace knowledge, and is unchallenged, that global average temperature has not increased since 1998. This corresponds to a nine-year period during which the level of atmospheric carbon dioxide, in contrast, did increase, and that by almost 5 per cent.”

That’s fact. These people are not trying to muddy the waters, they are criticizing the hysterical green lobby, like Al Gore, who made predictions which were “chicken little” in their proportions.”An Inconvienient Truth” has since been shown to have been anything but truthful. Predictions were out by a factor of 10 from even the most ardent AGW supporters modeling.

Northwestshelf,

Where are the lies in this document? Point them out please. Graham would be better off getting rid of posters like yourself who don’t even attempt to back up anything you say. The climate modelers currently suggest that any human influence on global temperature is so small that it cannot yet be differentiated from natural cycles of climate change. Bob Carter has compelling evidence to suggest that solar flares are behind some of the variation in climate we have seen over the last 100 years.

Taswegian “parts of Australia and I suspect NZ are about to report their warmest driest autumn ever.”

Driest autumn ever?

Maybe “driest autumn since records have been kept” but that is less than 200 years and “Australia” and “New Zealand” have been around a lot longer.

One thing with all this, which interests me is “Krakatau”. Just look it up, massive climate changes and disruption on a scale not yet echoed by supposed “Anthropologic” warming or other action. Yet, whilst the worldwide consequences of Krakatau’s eruption were seen for at least a decade after the eruption, the world did return to what we have believed to be “normal”. So issues of “irreversible climate change”, as made by some “pro-AGW” activists, seem to be based on pure speculation and not on empirical evidence.

How is this for a “conspiracy theory”:

consider the cause of “internationalism” and its misguided followers.

Basically, this warped body of thought and philosophy saw its future entombed with the collapse of the USSR in the late 1980s

All the little Trotskyites and left wing grubs go off and burrow into the “Green” environmental movements, to lick their wounded pride.

The anti-capitalist lefty entryists turn the green agenda into an indirect anti-capitalist organisation.

Then, in acknowledging the “industrial world” is managed by capitalism, promote “industrial carbon emissions” as the new boogey man and

Try to produce mass support, by developing bogus issues around supposed carbon emission induced global warming.

Next, promote “carbon trading” as devices to economically curb the natural ability and advantages of capitalism to out-perform and out deliver against the international socialist centralist economic model.

Use carbon taxes to deliver the “levelling effect” demanded by socialism.

Result, the carbon tax “social levelling effect” can be, basically, described as “Socialism by Stealth”.

NorthWestShelf “misinformation from nonsense pedlars and shills.”

Maybe this article “balances” the “Make a stand for good science” (8/5/08).

Brook opened his pro-AGW spin with the immortal line “Don’t feed the troll!”.

Morthwestshelf is expressing intolerance to and demanding censorship of others who exercise their sovereign right to express a dissenting opinion to his.

Shameful.

History will view global warming being to liberals, what WMD's were to conservatives.

It is essential that there be proper debate and not censorship on this issue. Global warming activists seem to want their views to be unchallenged irrespective of the consequences.