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Mischievous misinformation or scientific debate? : Comments

By David Karoly, published 5/5/2008

An ice age is definitely not going to occur in the 21st century! Instead global average temperatures will continue to increase.

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Wow, what a difference a few days makes.
Since Mr Karoly wrote his article we've had...
1 NASA announce that the Pacific Decadal Oscillation has flipped to its cooling phase. If this holds we could be in for cooler temps for the next 30 years . The last time it flipped to cooling was 1946 and the planet cooled through to the mid 70's

2. Nature carrying a peer-review article (from AGW true believers) pointing to continued cooling for the next decade or so.

3. A Chilean volcano which, depending on size, could usher in a decidedly cooler year or two.

Mr Karoly sets up a straw man when he tells us we aren't headed for an ice age - although the Chapman article talked about this it really suggested a return to the extremely cold period around 1800 and the Little Ice Age. But AGW camp doesn't acknowledge the LIA having written it out of history via the Hockey Stick so its not surprising Mr Karoly missed that subtlety.

But if things continue like this we'll all be knocking down straw men - straw being a good insulator against the cold.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 5 May 2008 3:45:43 PM
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O&A, yes i'm familiar and quite skeptical with your skepticalscience article on the Pacific Decadal Oscillation. It qualifies as a description only with NO attempt at causation which is what honest science is all about. Of course that is what we expect from AGWers like fruitloop Karoly. Boyoh this joker is off his face with CO2 original sin with this anthropocentric mindset that simply delivers our human built-in bias and mode of conceptualisation. However, I'm glad to see him come out of the woodwork in response to this rather dramatic Phil Chapman article. So by all means let's line up all these charlatans and AGW high priests .... particularly the Australian ones.

I don't think it is a coincidence, that the Pacific Decadal Oscillation or as I see it the Indian to Pacific ocean surface cooling band across the tropics, is noticeable when studying the aa index of geomagnetic activity. It is there as plain as day ...... implicating the changing behaviour of the sun as possibly causal.
Posted by Keiran, Monday, 5 May 2008 4:10:50 PM
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Runner. Just call your god to fix it. lol

No-one has a dam clue too whats going to happen next, so yes! its both. The whole world is just a bunch of chemicals. For every action there is a reaction and don't think were not going to pay for the co2 release. Evolution can be looked at like a god, and unlike the Christan god or any other for that matter, the evolution god will be seen and felt.

My guesstamation is that we have three hundred years, and its not to fix it,cause you cant. Three hundred years is to get off this planet or we can just keep hanging around until the next great extinction.

The clock is ticking.
Posted by evolution, Monday, 5 May 2008 6:34:17 PM
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evolution,

What needs fixing is man's heart. Then man will stop all this silly pseudo science and evolution talk. Unfortunately most will continue to love their sin instead of turning to the living God for forgiveness. This is the world's greatest tragedy. Creating a forthcoming catastrophe and then becoming an activist is just a cover for man's corrupt nature. Christ is our only hope and yes this earth will pass away one day. Thankfully the One who can't and never has lied promises a new heaven and a new earth for those honest enough to turn from their ways and to His mercy and grace.
Posted by runner, Monday, 5 May 2008 7:15:43 PM
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Runner. Your heart is grand and your mind is all good, and lets not forget that this site is about exchanging ideas. Its never nothing personal
Posted by evolution, Monday, 5 May 2008 8:22:08 PM
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Evolution “My guesstamation is that we have three hundred years, and its not to fix it,cause you cant. Three hundred years is to get off this planet or we can just keep hanging around until the next great extinction.”

300 years more to what (apart from get off the planet)?

More to the point what do you predict for the next extinction?

I agreed with your post until that point.

Personally I do not think extinction will happen.

A mass “de-population” due to some new plague possibly, but that will not produce extinction. Their will always be a few with a resistance.

Maybe I am being optimistic and fanciful.

But that is just me.

Being optimistic sure beats being pessimistic.
Posted by Col Rouge, Monday, 5 May 2008 9:07:31 PM
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