mmm I'm reminded of a saying "Treat others as you would like to be treated".
James it's hard to have the high moral ground when your standing in the gutter. Why don’t you just execute people who look like they might be up to something.

the difference between what the law is and says, and what people think the law is and says, is an alarming gap of social and political awareness.

no more, or less, than the gap between public morality and private reality i guess.

I feel like I stumbled onto a time portal. Here we are in Nazi World 1939 - rationalising away all humane senses. You Christians are a sick lot.

Redneck you are excellent terrorist material luv'.

Is that the best that you can do, Rancidus?

I would like to make an observation here. It was the gun buyback under John Howard that finally got me political. I got so fed up up trendies telling lies and petending that their twisted views were the epitome of intellectual enlightenment, that I finally got off my butt and started shooting back.

On this and every other debating thread that I have encountered, people like you Rancidus are as weak as water. You are all bluff and bluster. You seem to rely upon your conviction that people like yourself are in every way smarter than everybody else, and morally beyond reproach as well. Added to this attitude, is the conviction that your opponents are all dummies who a superior person like yourself need never fear.

But every time I get people like you by the throat, it is child's play to show you up for the fools that you all are. Most of you repeat the same arguments and slogans that have been instilled by your peers, parrot like in your heads. You seem to be unable to think for yourselves or even understand cause to consequence. And when people like me, Arjay or David Boaz point out the contradictions in your dated and well trodden arguments, it leaves you utterly helpless.

The usual response from the social regressives like yourself when cornered, is to either stand upon your dignity and pretend that you are oh, so utterly superior that you need not bother to give rational explanations for your views, or to simply say "I will not debate with you anymore."

Your feeble response is indicative of the latter.

I too might have espoused similar sentiments to you when I was young myself. But I finally figured out that I was being lied to, and when that happened, it began the process of switching on my critical analysis circuits. I hope that you can switch on your scepticism circuits yourself, some day, and then examine the dated ideologies of your fashionable contemporaries in the light of your new skills.

So the bad man took your gun away Redneck. By the sound of you it was probably quite justified.
I had to surrender a .22 browning 10 shot semi-automatic break down rifle I had for 50 years and I am still dirty on Howard and his usual knee jerk reaction to prevent such tragedies as the Port Arthur massacre. But I dont propose we adopt Torture of the perpetrator as some primitive act of retaliation or revenge.
Since our culture is developing much like North America I accepted that taking guns out of the community was not a bad thing given the horrific statistics of Gun violence throughout American society from Kindergarten onward.
In this modern age we are attempting to become more civilized not regress to Nazi Germany or Abu Ghraib despite the ravings of Rumsfeld and Cheney who want Bush to veto Congress restrictions on torture.
I think your ego has got in the way of logical discussion. You really havent contributed much to the debate on torture. You have spent most of your time vilifying those who disagree with your extremism. You indicated you hate Muslims; do you hate jews.refugees and Aborigines too?
Whatever you are, remember, torture is not acceptable in a civilised society.I recall one post pointed out, to embrace torture requires you to descend to the same level as a torturer.