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The Green religion : Comments

By William York, published 26/3/2008

Papal indulgences, carbon indulgences: it's all about having a clear conscience.

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Now he can be rather elusive! If you can persuade him to submit something to us I would be delighted to publish. But how does David Suzuki sound? Watch this space next week ...
Susan
Posted by SusanP, Thursday, 27 March 2008 3:50:57 PM
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Were carbon offsets devised by green zealots? I think neither environmental zealots nor scientists are impressed by this mechanism. It has been, rather, developed by lovers of market mechanisms who have an unholy belief that paper shuffling can work miracles. To infer that these modern "indulgences" spring from the science of AGW misses the mark: "indulgences" sprang from the belief that money can buy anything and carbon offsets also clearly derive from this same belief.

I suppose the author does not want us to push his analogies too far. If the dogmas of Luther and protestantism gave rise to fundamentalist, right-wing reactionary christianity of the modern day, where will the followers of Lomberg lead us?
Posted by skeptical of skeptics, Thursday, 27 March 2008 5:20:11 PM
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I think there is an important point to be made here, and this is coming from the point of view of someone who deeply identifies with conservationism, not a growth-obsessed right-winger.

Buying green lifestyle products is about as effective in solving the environmental problem as praying to one's god/s, and really it just helps the common person to resolve their guilt and anxiety about what's to come so they can get back to work and watching Friends. Essentially, we're deluded in thinking that we can continue to live the all-consuming lifestyles we do and not have a negative impact on the environment.

There are two elements to human-caused environmental damage: the amount of people, and the impact each individual has. At a global population of about 6.8 billion, we will either need to reduce our individual impact (i.e., our industrial, consumer lifestyles) drastically, or make efforts to reduce the population worldwide significantly.
Posted by K., Thursday, 27 March 2008 6:04:45 PM
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SusanP

While I have to concede that one David Suzuki does equal about 20 Jennifer Marohasys, I could still happily do without such proliferation from her; seeing her name on so many OLO articles certainly does give the appearance of bias.

Nonetheless, OLO do manage to provide some interesting articles and would be totally boring without such contributions. For example, I did some background checking on Marohasy, which I probably wouldn't have bothered to do had she received less attention on your website. Best to know exactly what you're dealing with.

Regards
Posted by Fractelle, Friday, 28 March 2008 11:00:49 AM
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Fractelle “I could still happily do without such proliferation from her; seeing her name on so many OLO articles certainly does give the appearance of bias.”

Check the article lists..

The incidence of Jennifer’s articles in the past year has been about one per quarter, that on a basis of say 350-400 articles a quarter.

I think you are being a little oversensitive toward posts which might “challenge” your own personal bias and possibly your reasoning skills.

I do recall OLO answered a comment I made some time ago regarding the absence of Andrew Bolte, advising (if I recall correctly) that he charged for reproduction of his words.

Where as the offerings of say, Tristan Ewings are available and posted indiscriminately on any debate forum which does not ban him for flooding.

Maybe that shows a difference in quality, Andrew Bolte charges for what Tristan Ewings finds difficulty giving away.

Then, such is the quality of the rightwing view versus the leftwing. Noting Marx could not give his ideas away either.

K “At a global population of about 6.8 billion, we will either need to reduce our individual impact (i.e., our industrial, consumer lifestyles) drastically, or make efforts to reduce the population worldwide significantly.”

I agree. My personal option is the deal with the numbers of people and leave a reduced quantity to aspire to a better life than a larger number suffering privation. In that regard, the onus should be on the underdeveloped countries who are the source of burgeoning population growth.
Posted by Col Rouge, Friday, 28 March 2008 12:05:10 PM
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Col Rouge, if you mean the Herald Suns Andrew Bolt (known elsewhere as 'the Dolt in the Hun'), i think he needs the power to edit comments - he certainly does on his own website, where critics rarely get their posts published. If he's happy in his News Corp playpen i'm happy for him to stay there, we're not short of similar fools.
Posted by Liam, Friday, 28 March 2008 5:13:48 PM
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