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Politics in the 21st century: Labor first, Liberals last : Comments

By Peter Tucker, published 20/3/2008

There is no doubt that the conservatives are struggling to maintain relevance in modern day Australia.

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I must agree with Leigh. We're starting to see the first reactions of an electorate betrayed, as Rudd dumps his most progressive ideals one by one.
Well, it's not very likely but not impossible that Rudd is getting a steady dose of reality since taking office. Is it just possible that Rudd is actually real Labor & not just ALP ?
Posted by individual, Saturday, 22 March 2008 7:57:20 AM
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No one can complain about the conservative nature of Kevin Rudd. It is the banner that got him elected. The only real complaint here is if Rudd gets roled in the future, which is a possibility if the polls turn on the prime minister. Those who voted for labour, thinking they will have a socially conscious government, with Rudd to control the ship, will not have what they voted for.

Like the Latham saga demonstrated, Labour was willing to jump on any wagon to an election victory. Kevin Rudd is mostly a one man show, but still has all the polictical clout required to keep the reds under the bed. This will not last forever, he will be brought back down to earth and the arbitary leadership he enjoys now will dissipate.

Three factors already sound out alarms bells for the Rudd supporters;

1/ can not fix the murray darling impass by the labour victorian government. demonstrating he can not control the labour machine even in the first 100 days of office and exacerbating Australia's world beating, rate of inflation on food. Thank you rice and cotton industries.

2/ income tax cuts are ridiculous at this time, yet we will proceed with them. Added to this spending regime that includes 1 billion on computers soon to be worth $20, 4.7 billion on internet that is going to cost us double to get access to.

3/ big promises on health and indigenous affairs which are both huge polictical timebombs

Those of you who do not like Rudd's conservative nature may not have to wait that long, combining these issues with the worlds financial crisis. Kevin Rudd may soon be reigned in, but the electorate may run back to the Party of economic conservatives rather than the party with one.

I hope he swings into action and has a chance to demonstrate the promise his media skills demonstrate. But he needs more achievement and less symbolism and forums
Posted by Earll11, Sunday, 23 March 2008 11:34:06 AM
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Peter Tucker “The graph below shows just how things have changed over the past 30 years.”

Wrong

It shows something on a time line of 20 years.

I did not bother with the rest of the stats. If the first one is patently wrong, why bother to inspect and place any credence in the product of sloppy and erroneous conjecture?

the liberals are more proficient at running governments than they are at running for election.

Which they do need to do something about.

However, from the notes, Peter is one of the advisors (having a bet each way on both teams) and not one of the torch bearers.

The anti-socialist side of politics is having a few hard days but the “sustainability” of socialism has always been its undoing. We will see the pendulum swing back to favour the libs and nationals either as an alliance of preferably a single unified party.

As for the title “Politics in the 21st century: Labor first, Liberals last :”

Where does that come from?

If we look at federal elections in the 21st century for the house of reps

Liberals score two.
Labor score one.
Posted by Col Rouge, Monday, 24 March 2008 2:04:59 PM
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To quote Peter: "Australia needs a viable conservative alternative at the ballot box to allow our Westminster system of government to operate successfully."

A viable conservative alternative?! The only options presented to us are conservative. It is a mistake to think Labor represents anything but a conservative option and I am one of the people that helped vote them in (via a Green preference) in the hope that there would be a greater social conscience but it is still early days.

Australia's ALP like Blair's 'new Labor' is so closely aligned in economic principles to the Liberals and Conservatives that there is not much, in essence, to divide them.

One benefit in having strong voices from the far Left and the far Right is to maintain a balance or a sense of proportion. To keep the b**ds honest and positioned somewhere in the centre to represent all people within a framework of social responsibility. The pendulum tends to swing more one way or the other at various times but since Keating the pendulum has been getting a bit rusty on the right side of the line.

The Liberal Party too, is not the centrist Liberal Party of old and is too often influenced by the far Right. One example is the change of focus from small business to big corporates.

As Leigh states very much a choice between the two tweedles, Laborals or the Libours.
Posted by pelican, Monday, 24 March 2008 2:18:59 PM
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politics is an extension of class, and thus an extension of economics, since our mode of production drives our social behaviour

the lower-middle class has been apathetic about politics for a long time

thus it has become usurped by the finacial elite

the two major political parties are simply the left and right arm of the capitalist conglomerates. When you trace the arm, it is moved by the same head.

the world is governed by two party political systems abound...

it gives the public change and an illusion of choice... but it is simply good cop bad cop...

bad cop-bush-blair-howard...becomes good cop.. rudd- clinton/obama-?

enter global warming socialist spending... good cop... then enter economic recession becoming bad cop ,then people want change and vote for the long forgotten bad cop of the past , more war...the cycle continues

we humans are very ignorant.
Posted by ryang57, Monday, 24 March 2008 11:29:18 PM
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Leigh is right. We have two major parties but one set of policies, with the only differences coming from the demographic to be targeted for votes.

In this situation parties get voted out when they get too arrogant (which they all do sooner or later) and the opposition has at least a half-decent leader of a party that is not publically fighting factional fires all the time.

Howard lost because of this. I am not familiar with the situation at state level, except in NSW where the ALP has been broadcasting its arrogance since the last election.
Posted by john kosci, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 12:35:10 PM
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