Kipp: "You both make out to be moralists, surely even you two must see the immorality there!"

Well, you'd *think* so, but my sense is you're about to encounter a lack of logic that will astound you.

I cannot believe the homophobic attitudes displayed on this thread....am I living in redneck USA?

Sometimes when an individual displays such extreme resistance to homosexuality they can often harbour homosexual feelings of their own...particularly in males!

If you believe its not natural you should spend a week or two on a farm where the male animal displays homosexual behaviour more often than not.

How can you say that people choose this way of life - homosexuals are born - its not a choice. why would anybody choose a way of life where you cant legally share you life with the person you love or you are constantly attacked by people who judge you by who you choose to sleep with.

Just for the record Im a happily married hetrosexual mum who would continue to support and love any of my 4 kids who were gay.

And RUNNER - your comments are ridiculous!

Aren't you trying to impose your views on others?

Do you think that it is good when mother and son decide that they "love" each other and want to marry?

Some believe that one day "love" of an adult and child, will be legalised because it is right. Same people put their behaviour (paedophilia) to same basket as homosexuality. They are convinced that large society will accept paedophilia one day as they accepted homosexuality. This is my opinion and many others.
Both behaviours are antisocial and definitely wrong.

Also the society at large in my opinion was imposed that we have to accept homosexuality. This is wrong.

Somebody may claim that one "loves" an animal and wants to declare a marriage with an animal. Do you think that this is right? Do you think that this is beneficial or detrimental to society? But some people in did want to. Because they want to does it make right?
No, I do not ask you what is love. You have demonstrated that you do not know what love is.
Please disagree with me if you wish but save yourself anger.

I base my views on biblical values, on life experience, on science and on social rules.

I propose that already society have done lots of wrong by interfering with traditional marriage.

The so called defacto, is wrong. Again it is my opinion but because there are consequences of every decision. It is wrong to mix the two systems into one civilian society set of rules.

If they live according to their choice and take all the consequences for their decisions (good or bad). This implies that I believe that traditional marriage according to bible or other religions, is most healthy, most effective, most economical, most benefiting society and so on.

Finally what you call love, I do not call love.

In general I am against government interfering with marriage, and I mean marriage. But as government does not allow the mentioned relationships nor polygamy, because they are against the best interest of society, I really support government in that.

MMISTZ. You may believe in fairytales, but the majority of people do not.

Homosexuality has nothing to do with incest, paedophillia or bestiality, and people who think this way really should talk to a medical professional.

Because you are polite I will respond to your point. You disagree with me and have no rational argument/explanation of your beliefs, you simply suggest me to see the medical professional.
What would be your response when I say that I am one?
Well, do not take it too personally, just logically, how would you judge the situation when the mentally sick man in mental asylum who declare to be a Napoleon, one is convinced that he is right and everybody else (not the number is important but fact that others) is wrong? Is it possible to find an objective or an absolute truth? Or you propose that why bother, let each side have own truth/conviction?
But why this man is in asylum? Maybe it is wrong, maybe one should be supported in his mission to convert the rest of society to his views?

Now on general notes. There are issues where everybody is right for self and this is ok. There are other issues where it is essential to be able to establish an absolute right and wrong.

There are some philosophies which declare that there is no such thing as right and wrong, that everything is relative.

Yes my opinion is that they are absolutely wrong, but lots of people including scientists have same opinion. More than that, it is a form of mental deviation, mental disorder. Such theory is a theory of chaos.

Usually people involved/affected do accept and defend their behavior. It is natural and self preserving mechanism. For example an alcoholic when in denial stage when you ask one, he has no problem with alcohol, he drinks because one wants and can stop any time if want to. But one is unable to demonstrate it. Such man is in denial stage and no help is possible. Only when one admits his problem and wants very much to become well, the help is possible though difficult.

We will not go to analysis of brain physiology in case of sexual deviants. It is not the point but the social consequences of allowing or disallowing certain unions.