I suppose the under lying premise is that marriage is still a going concern. One can't blame women for not exactly 'leaping' at a marriage proposal as one in three end up on the rocks. Plus there are careers to think about, travel, etc.

I'm traditional enough to expect the man to do the asking but I'm darned if I know why.

I thought it was a light, amusing article too. Mind you, marriage is an institution that I wouldn't enter into again. Why spoil a good relationship by forcing it into a legal structure that doesn't work in about 50% of cases?

I see that OLO's biggest loser with respect to male-female relationships is back having a typically pathetic bleat about those dreadful women. Home alone again, eh Timkins?

Turnrightthenleft,
I have not even mentioned feminism.

I have indicated what the situation is in reality for 30%-50% of marriages.

Where have you been? Didn’t you know about this?

Did you think that fathers had more value than a sperm donor and a bank account?

No wonder the woman rarely proposes. If she proposed, she might have to say to him during the proposal that she does think of him as having more value than a sperm donor and a bank account.

I also don't think you can lecture me on what is "unbecoming". You once reccommended that I read a feminist web-site that had slogans on it such as "Tell me again why I need a boyfriend" and "It ain't pretty being easy", and "Dip me in honey and throw me to the lesbians".

But you don't think that web-site was "unbecoming".

The feminist definition of what is "unbecoming" is rather mysterious.

HRS, you're playing your disingenuous victim games again.

Which is even more unbecoming. And yes, I'll certainly lecture you on that.

As far as the 'article' I recommended, it wasn't any of the above. It just happened to be on the same website.

By the same logic, I could recommend you read this article, and you could criticise it on the basis of another article here.

More stupid evasive games. You play many of them to avoid accepting the blatantly obvious. You still refuse to admit that not every single feminist is bad don't you?

And your message was rife with bitterness and you do metaphorically foam at the mouth when anything associated with women or feminism is mentioned.

So rather than get drawn into the time wasting trolling exercises you've drawn me into in other threads where information is presented to you and you just ignore it and maintain your hatred of feminists and evidently, even women, I'll just blow you a metaphorical raspberry and bid you adieu.

Turnrightthenleft,
I can imagine you giving a marriage proposal. If she didn't accept it, then you would give her abuse and a rasberry.

I would think that there should be much more education of men before they pop the question. That way they might not end up as one of the large number of fathers who have to pay money to someone who has abducted their children (and then calls them an "absent father").

Seven of 'em lost their heads over me. Couldn't keep'em away. Saved a swag on maintainance and child support, though.