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By Chin Jin, published 5/2/2008If Barack Obama wins the nomination of his party, he will probably lose the general election in November 2008.
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Posted by TurnRightThenLeft, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 9:41:27 AM
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Yeah, the article's author clearly favours Hilary, which means we can discount anything you say about the nomination process.
Posted by Countryboy, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 9:46:47 AM
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I still believe that Hillary Clinton will win. But I could be wrong.
It's going to be an interesting race. Either way - both candidates are a far better alternative to the Bush Administration. Perhaps Australia should also place a time limit on its leaders? Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 9:48:02 AM
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I think the author is dead wrong about the reasons why this race will be so tight and it has nothing to do with Hillary's gender or Obama's colour. The race will be close but I think Hillary will loose because she is old establishment which the voters are rejecting in numbers as shown in Iowa recently.
Since both candidates have stepped up their efforts to encourage Americans to register to vote, which is drawing bigger crowds of predominatly white/Hispanic people for Obama. My guess is that Obama will ask Bill Richardson to run with him as his vice President and seal the fate of the nomination for President from the party. When you have Kerry, the Kennedy clan and Oprah behind you I thing it will be very tough for Hillary to claw back a victory but we will find out tommorow when registered voters make their decision. Posted by Yindin, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 10:48:53 AM
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Both are pretty good. Obama tends to be a visionary, "the pie in the sky" type. Hillary, in terms of experience and policies, is miles ahead of Obama. Obama gets the endorsement from democrat heavyweights because they don't like Hillary rather than they think Obama is better.
Posted by Philip Tang, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 10:49:08 AM
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Surely I'm not the only one who thinks a Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton team for President/Vice-President would be simply beautiful?
Not only would it send the heads of misogynistic racists into a complete spin, they could nominate Mike Gravel for Secretary of State and induce coronaries across the country among the hard right... Posted by Lev, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 11:04:36 AM
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"Hillary, in terms of experience and policies, is miles ahead of Obama." O
I keep hearing this and see no evidence for it whatsoever. Her stint as a presidential spouse may be closer to a VP position than we've seen before in US politics, but it's a long way short of real executive experience. Clinton's major strength is her health care failure experience, but her weaknesses as a leader are generally glossed over. But the fact is she's shown a distinct opportunistic nature, and a paucity of wisdom on both Iraq and Iran. She's also far more establishment in terms of the status quo on campaign finance reform, and is unlikely to chart a more mature position vis-a-vis Israel in foreign policy. Indeed, Clinton is as likely to be an AIPAC apologist as the Bush-Cheney team is... I really don't see where people get this idea that she is some kind of policy powerhouse. If you compare the endorsement and high profile wonks and advisers they come out pretty equal, which is amazing considering how much an advantage she has through the Clinton political machine. Posted by BBoy, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 1:08:24 PM
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*Are Americans ready to have an African American president? I doubt it, the time is not ripe.*
I remind the author that whilst Obama has some African American ancestory, he is not African American. Lev is right, an Obama/Clinton team could work wonders! If Americans elect another republican, then clearly they need more pain to learn... Posted by Yabby, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 2:42:07 PM
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Lev
And listen to the whines of 'cheat' when McCain wins. Posted by keith, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 3:02:33 PM
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Assuming that Obama becomes the Democrat's presidential nominee, he will lose the election against the Republicans. It's the cultural melting pot of Americans, especially of Asian-Latino-Americans, that will be overwhelmingly the determining factor of who will be the next occupant of the Whitehouse. And the latter group of Americans, not to mention many Caucasians, will not vote at this stage an Afro-American for president.
http://power-politics1.blogspot.com Posted by Themistocles, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 4:41:09 PM
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Like I said to the author, themistocles, the polling numbers just don't support your theories. His thesis is essentially the same as yours, and it just doesn't stack up.
Posted by TurnRightThenLeft, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 5:03:39 PM
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With the Blacks voting along racial lines it looks like Hillary is not going to make it.
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/super-duper-tuesday-polls.html Posted by Philip Tang, Wednesday, 6 February 2008 1:38:13 AM
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Forgive me for not putting much faith in this author's arguments; I am too distracted by the following:
- John Kerry had a very, very good chance of winning the election in 2004. He received 48% of the votes to Bush's 51%. - George W. Bush is not an incumbent. - Colin Powell, not Colin Power, was the secretary of state for GW Bush's first term; he is no longer "in power" in any real sense. - How could the fact that "the development of the African Continent is in general lagging behind others" possibly, conceivably, in any context affect the relationship between Barack Obama and the American electorate? Posted by kjg, Wednesday, 6 February 2008 3:13:51 AM
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Obama will win the Democratic Nomination then he will win the Presidential Office in a landslide THEN there will be attempts on his life. We have experienced John and Robert Kennedy murders also Martin Luther King. Barack Obama must be protected because he will be the Saviour of the World which the Unacceptable face of Capitalism do not want.
Posted by Bronco Lane, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 12:13:27 PM
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"But will Obama's sweeping victory in South Carolina propel him to victories in the rest of the 40 or so states? I don't think so. The high population of Americans of African ancestry in South Carolina greatly contributed to Obama's victory."
Only if you completely ignore Iowa. 95 per cent white. In fact, if you look through the statistics themselves you find that while Obama is riding a strong wave of black support, Clinton also is well respected amongst African Americans.
Yet, their numbers are neck in neck. Just because Clinton is a woman, it doesn't mean she's getting all the women - Obama beat her on that score in South Carolina.
Australia's black population is quite small, but if you read the other OLO article today, Obama is the favourite.
Plus, I think the author vastly underestimates the unpopularity of the Bush presidency, which even among neo-conservatives, is regarded as a failure. A second republican tilt is unlikely.
There is much talk of the Americans 'not being ready' which quite frankly, I don't believe. There's nothing there backing it up and the voting figures show otherwise.
As the author makes a number of claims about the US intentions without backing, I guess I'll make one of my own - I tend to think that many of the people who would be averse to voting for a black man come from the southern states, and are likely to be core republican voters - a group which in the wake of the failures of the Bush presidency, has dwindled significantly in power and influence.
I think Obama's in with a damn fine chance if he gets the nomination, and I sincerely hope he makes it.