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Australia, the UN, and nuclear weapons : Comments

By Moritz Kütt and John Langmore, published 14/1/2008

Australia aligned with the US by opposing nearly every resolution dealing with nuclear issues at the 2007 UN General Assembly.

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Resolutions on critical issues, such as nuclear weapons, that are adopted "either by CONSENSUS (the operational term) or by large majorities" are meaningless, if not dangerous, when there is a minority of rogue dangerous states, such as Iran, that will not abide to such resolutions in their stealthy pursuit to acquire nuclear weapons.

No wise nation in our dangerous times, facing irreconcilable external and internal fanatic enemies will "proxy" its defense to the effete organization of the UN and its totally ineffective resolutions.

http://kotzabasis1australiaagainst.blogspot.com
Posted by Themistocles, Monday, 14 January 2008 8:02:17 PM
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Themistocles, the UN is only effete because the US wants it that way.

Immanuel Kant foresaw this after he witnessed Napoleon declaring himself Emperor when he was sent out as a
young general of the Enlightenment to spread the message of Liberty Equality and Fraternity.

Thus we still have the Kantian recipe for Perpetual Peace, not one single power in charge of the world as we have now with GWB's Pax Americana but a Federation of Nations, not necessarily all democratic nations, but as Konrad Adenuer of West Germany implied when he helped draw up the plan for the present United Nations, strong representation in the Secretariat from all the Federation, not the deliberately weak leadership which now exists, letting Condoleeza Rice move in most times to manage the
global stage.

Just as all academic political scientists get sick of hearing, as we are all sick of hearing Dick Cheney's threats towards Iran which we know a truly competent UN might easily manage, possibly better if the American Way was not part of the plan.

Cheers - BB, WA.
Posted by bushbred, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 12:11:23 PM
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" ... Put *Him* in ... "
:INDO REPORT:
<KARBON FREEZE>
:DARK MURMERINGS OF THE PRAYER PEOPLE:
<KARBON FREEZE>
:INDO COAST CARD:
<KARBON FREEZE>
:GLOBALWARMINGCONF TROOP DEPLOYMENT & RELATED ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS:
<KARBON FREEZE>

:"My 2 Bob:"

Of paramount importance is 2 establish "our" own Independent credentials in the region.
No more Uranium for *Dastardly&Muttley a.k.a. englund & america*
pending confession, repentance, penance & appropriate treatment for those contaminated by
U235 EnrichmentWasteMunitions
OR
kick them out of Australia.

& I put it 2 U Dear Poppets
if the constitution cld always be overtrumped by another mere act of the mongrel pommy parliament, even with it's new sticky plaster & bubble gum australia act attached,
it is essentially little more than a bog roll &
U shld summarily set it on fire & p!ss it into a permaculture patch.

*Browny* for !HeadofState!
Ambassador 2 *Satan* - Mr Peter Costello
(1Good, 1Evil)
a Lord/Ess Spiritual
a Green 4 the Environment
a Unionist for the Workers
Australian of the Year for the Scientists
a TrueBlue BlakFella for OriginalOzzie affairs
(have I 4gotten anyone?)
& an *Ozzie HellB_tch* for Women's Business

and I must confess, I cannot entirely dismiss the words of:
Saint _ucking, Patron Saint of _ooting
(controlled crazy head or otherwise)
& co-founder of Australia's 1st Independent Denomination,
*Church of the Mystic Christ*
whom said 2 me in the summer of '87

" ... & Spiritually speaking it depicts U like a spike, with pieces of paper pushed onto it. As if U will bcome a pawn, in the hands of some player. & I am not even speaking of the immediate future but in the distant future that danger is most certainly there. Well I suggest U refuse 2 become a spike. Don't b the spike that receives useless things, things that r done & over with, that U can't do anything about. ... "

& with that I bid u adieu 2 return 2 my grandiose,
paranoid delusions & other "ruminations" in Indo.

...Adam...
Posted by AJLeBreton, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 4:01:58 PM
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The need, ability and possibility of a legally binding Nuclear Weapons Convention (NWC):
http://www.icanw.org/the-solution

The majority of UN Member States call for immediate negotiation of this treaty, which would prohibit the development, production, testing, deployment, stockpiling, transfer, threat, or use of nuclear weapons.
Posted by Atom1, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 9:03:31 AM
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Atom 1, unfortunately, with so many of our international laws being broken, including by America, the only resort maybe is to make use of the principles of power balance, which we studied during the Cold War.

It is so critical that during the Cold War, there was that strategic sideshow in the Middle East when Israel really broke the Code of Nuclear Deterrence which even Henry Kissinger has shown to have complained about in a recently found report, that the balance of power among smaller ME nations had not only been destroyed but had given the Soviet Union, already with an arranged power balance with the US, the excuse to arm the Arab nations with Nuclear weapons.

Though thanks to our lucky stars the worst did not happen, the point is that there is now evidence that Richard Nixon was also against Israel going militarily nuclear.

So what we are faced with now using the power balance agenda, Iran should be allowed to go nuclear to prevent a pariah-like Israel not only using its illegal nuclear weapons against Iran in an initial strike, but also conventional.

The big worry is, of course, that with Putin’s Russia already building nuclear installations in Iran, Kissinger’s original concern might come to pass - because there is now proof that Israel’s present power position in the Middle East is illegal, Russia and possibly China, and even India may believe they have the right to protect Iran.

There is even reports that Iran might already possess nuclear warheads to fit her long-range rockets, no doubt illegally arranged, but possibly not much worse than Israel’s illegal possession of atomic artillery in any case?

Maybe if the worst does come to be likely, the very fact that Iran might possess atomic warfare capability, could bring the kind of peace brought on by Pakistan going militarily nuclear to match India and helping the main border confrontation to gradually fizz out.

Regards - BB, WA
Posted by bushbred, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 12:37:10 PM
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Bushbred (and ChristinaMac please listen)

What you say makes. Mutually Assured Destruction HAS prevented the Cold War, Confrontations of Standoffs turning into hot wars.

However this type of logic is not recognised by those who feel that all inclusive international conferences (for example the UN) can talk away tension.

Major war is about violent national urges which have always been mixed with economic motivation (a la Cheney, contractors, oil, land etc). War cannot be talked away now because the talkers, spin doctors and major media companies represent the very passions and people that wage war. Thus Hitler/Goebbels phenomenon of the 30 and 40s has been updated into Bush/Hollywood/Murdoch. Looks like a hard left analysis but there is a twist.

I think the solution is not to rely on international talking that attempts to conquer national/economic passions. We should accept those passions as age old, irreversible realities. There will never be a peace utopia.

Talking is nice and often a useful tactic but few rely on it. Those that do are usually failed dependent states or (like Switzerland and Sweden) are happily by geography under the Europe wide American defence umbrella.

In the end I think we should rely very heavily on a larger national defence force to defend Australia if/when the US deserts us. A future option of Australia requiring nuclear weapons should be left open.

Pete
http://spyingbadthings.blogspot.com/2007/02/cheney-to-bless-australias-pm-again.html
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 3:19:56 PM
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