Why don't the right wing ranters go and ask the Afghans and Iraqis who they think the terrorists really are.

You might be surprised to discover it is us.

Part Ib

To BC2 and similar,

When it is a war it is not possible to use a western domestic legal system to process prisoners of war. It is simply unreasonable to expect this. That said, the West tries extremely hard, as is evidenced from how so many soldiers are dying in the Middle East, because they have ethical rules which Europeans learned in centuries of warfare, and which they stuck to as people of honor. However, fighting wars with non-Europeans changes the situation. Vietnam is a good example, with little kids and grandmothers doing suicide missions (forcibly no doubt). In Iraq and Afganhistan, the enemy has less regard for their own people than our soldiers do. They shoot into crowded markets, knowing that our soldier will not shoot back until civilians are clear; they send little kids up to the soldiers to get lollies from them (which itself shows that they are not scared of our troops, since little kids would be scared of truly bad people) and then they open fire, killing the kids also. In the recent Lebanese-Israeli war, Hezbolla used hospitals and schools as military bases, they ferried their troops in ambulances. All this put every average Lebanese person at great risk, it made the Israelis look evil to the world and to the Muslim television viewers, but above all, it revealed that Hezbolla had less regard for Lebanese people than the Israelis did.

To this sick freaks who think that the average supporter of overseas wars is just an angry racist:

Firstly, all the institutional and behavioural evidence is against this, secondly, it reveals your bigotry at a certain type of Western person, that you think you just know what they are made of. Isn’t this a bit like a kkk saying “I just know that the black guy is a murderous criminal who we should lynch, I feel it”? In fact, though, the kkk’s own fear and unfair generalizations leads him/her to make this unfounded judgment.

This is at the heart of the entire issue with ALL relations between the West and the rest.

Part II,

Marilyn Shepherd

“Why don't the right wing ranters go and ask the Afghans and Iraqis who they think the terrorists really are.

No surprise that "olivednecks" and genocidal maniacs would think that we are the bad guy, I’m sure the average German or Japanese person thought that the US and Britian were the bad guys in WWII also.

We are not terrorists just because we use force. Western domestic police are sanctioned by a liberal and democratic community to use reasonable force to stop or even kill,if need be, any would-be law braker who would violate mine or your rights. If you see no problem with this you should have no problem with our nation using force to keep in check those nations or groups that would violate human rights of their own people and our people.

The so-called “left” are really racists who think that all coloured people are essentially less (this is why they never hold them accountable for their actions and they ALWAYS think they need assistance, the same way we deal with mentally/physically disabled); they are class bigots who look down their noses at the white manual labor classes, they see them as “uncouth” and close minded and rough, the way that Lords would sneer at dirty children in the factories in 19th century England.

They have more concern that all “coloured” peoples will think that they are mean or paternalistic if they pressure them to uphold people's rights than the actual welfare of those people, as is clear from our own aboriginal community, where “leftists” are actually arguing that it is racist to help them by force. But they have lost their understanding of responsibility , and this has only happened since the 60s to the massive scale it is on now, because these fake do-gooders have stolen their agency.

More evidence for this is how many feminists refuse to denounce many Islamic practices as barbaric and extremely misogynistic with gender apartheid, and many even claim that cutting off the clitoris from little girls is not abuse or misogyny but simply “their way”.

"More evidence for this is how many feminists refuse to denounce many Islamic practices as barbaric and extremely misogynistic with gender apartheid, and many even claim that cutting off the clitoris from little girls is not abuse or misogyny but simply “their way”."

Oh, what rubbish. Your hotline to rightousness is crowded with white noise. Feminists have been at the forefront of opposition to female genital mutilation. Oh, I'm sure you can find some idiots who might not object to it, but their ideas will be far more influenced by relativism or postmodernism than feminism.

See here: http://www.feminist.com/resources/artspeech/inter/fgm.htm and about a million other places I can't be bothered linking to but will if you insist.

Feminists have also fought to end *male* genital mutilation, aka circumcision.

Come on now White Warlock, I suppose you still believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy if you think that our side still adhere to the Geneva Convention. Have a look at George W's attitude toward torture. Why are members of the US government considering bringing charges against the Vice President for what happened in Abu Graib.

Give us a break.

David

Leigh's vitriol demands some sort of response - putting aside his veiws on Hicks - his appetite for human destruction and cruelty puts him smack in the middle of the ranks of those people he tells us he hates -- terrorists in this instance but I am confident the list of people Leigh depises is a long one.

Hatred is a wicked characteristic far worse than anything demonstrated by Hicks - misguided and wrong headed as he is/was.

If modern man adopted Leighs mind set the Allies would have simply murdered the entire German and Japanese army -

Hicks committed an offence - undefined and essentially untested - prima facie he supported the bad guys - but the unconscionable time it took to bring him to book and the manner he was treated was criminal as well

- he has nothing to apoligise for - he has been convicted in bizarre circumstance and done his time - it is all over now - go back to your homes.