Anti-Green, actually the literary term Progess is simply to move forward - but not necessarily the best way in the circumstances as the concept of philosophical reasoning implies?

What worries me is that with our present nearly full reliance on quarry economics and with the associated pitstock politics so engaged, what is going to be left for our great grandkids when the underground wealth runs out?

Neither Charley Court nor John Howard used adequate reasoning to cover the above problem.

Only to have faith in your leader, like the wartime - yours is not to reason why-?

Therefore right now, with future global warming pretty well now proven a reality, should we not allay now a planning for a possibly illustrious future, and go into strategic defence mode against rising water tables, etc.

Should have suited a former successful military man like Charley Court down to the ground if still young - though don't know so much about Johnny Howard?

Bushbred

“What worries me is that with our present nearly full reliance on quarry economics and with the associated pitstock politics so engaged, what is going to be left for our great grandkids when the underground wealth runs out?”
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Ever since the time of the Reverend Thomas Malthus (May be even earlier) people have speculated that the earth will run out of resources. Recall the famous wager between Paul Erlich and Julian Simon in 1980. The population biologist lost the world did not run out of food, oil and raw materials, in fact their prices dropped (1).

What about the case of “Peak Oil:” well oil production is controlled by a cartel. Further part of the block in production is due to limited refinery capacity.

Remember too vast areas of the earth have not yet been exploited such as the Artic, Antarctic, and the Ocean Depths. There is one understands a possible oilfield in the South Atlantic. Another thing the earths crust is about 40 km thick (varies from place to place), I believe the deepest mines are about 4-5 km below the surface.

Global Warming: Reference to such web sites as, such as Andrew Bolt’s Blog, Lavoisier Group, Science and Environment Policy Project, Jennifer Marohasy’s blog; all suggests that there is no consensus on anthropogenic global warming. There is also the open letter to Ban Ki- moon signed by over 100 leading academics. Again you may care to refer to a recent US Senate report on global warming (2).

1. Lomborg B. The Skeptical environmentalist.

2. http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb

I like it and have it on my bookshelf - Lomborg B. The Skeptical environmentalist.

It seems this dude made a hip of money mimicking “the worries” of paid-for-threatening-on-climate-change bureaucrats.

Of Howard, he improved his personal environment at own house on a taxpayer expense and it's good for him already. The same approach of comforting potentially useful fat cats’ personal interests had been flourishing during all his reign in so-called enviroareas, of which access to Australian natural resources was the most.

You apparently haven’t lived long enough, Anti-Green, to notice as well as feel the change that is on its way.
Probably not so precious to you, but one who has cleared wheatbelt land to see wild turkeys and mallee hens, fluttering over strange mini-kangaroos, to finish the last of their lives around saltlakes ever growing whiter and wider.

The point is that we have not overcome the above problems, only fenced them off and passed them by in a land of plenty, or was a land of plenty.

Here in Mandurah now as well as low-lying canal houses due to be swamped by rising tides, we have now seen the last of the unique tuart forests, the few trees left looking not so strong and stately, but ever so lonely.

Yep, reckon you’ve got a lot to learn Anti-Green, especially when you believe man has not done harm to this planet, and in any case stupidly believes he is quite capable of surviving on technology alone if the worst comes to the worst

Finally, it is so interesting that the feminine gender can sense the coming weather problems much more than their male counterparts. Happened in our Wubin-Buntine locality not long after WW2 when diesel replaced steam locos’, 13, 000 acres of catchment sloping into a railway dam was due to be put up for farm sales.

But the daughter of a local Scot family rallied the local wives in a protest which not only saved the Buntine dam going salt through the clearing of the mainly ti-tree catchment, but other women in other wheatbelt railway towns took up the protest as well not only saving the low-lying towns from going salt, but helped to start the West Australian Greenies.

That is why I feel proud to be called a Left Wing Loonie, Anti-Green, and please remember I had marksman printed in my paybook during WW2, and was not bad with the gloves, neither, yep, reckon most of your green is around the eyes and ears matey, cos’ you’ve still got a lot to learn.

Cheers - BB, WA.

Bushbred

Now I understand. I am 74 years so perhaps still junior to yourself. I hated boxing in my London school. I even served my national service in the RAF and thought it quite a waste of time.

One other thing I have lived all my life in cities.

I have some sympathy with William Congreve 1670-1729 (from: the Oxford book of quotations).

"I nauseate walking; 'tis a country diversion, I loathe the country."

No matter please accept my best wishes for 2008.

Interesting. I reckon things might be a lot better if anti-green and others of his ilk had taken a few decent walks through the Australian bush.

Of course, that would also apply to John Howard, Jennifer Marohasy and the other city-based folk at the IPA.