Yabby wrote: "... I remind you that its you dragging this thread away from housing, ..."

I think any fair-minded person would understand that I am not the person who is principally guilty of leading this discussion down all sorts of garden paths.

Yabby wrote: "My politics was actually being a Clinton fan and now for Obama. ..."

You will have to explain somewhere (not here, please) what it is that you know of Barack Obama of which I am unaware.

Does he favour the abolition of award protections for US workers and criminalisation of union activities? Does he advocate yet further reductions in US government spending? Does he want to sell off any remaining US family silver? Does he advocate the unrestrained exploitation of the earth's non-renewable natural resources and making no serious attempt to confront global warming on the grounds of claiming that everyone outside the US including Australia will continue to selfishly burn fossil fuels?

Yabby wrote: "Yes there are threatened species here. Those wild cats, wild dogs and foxes have done huge damage."

A novel way of excusing your irresponsible efforts to further over-populate WA through immigration, I would have to agree: blame all species extinction on introduced feral pests.

Yabby wrote: "Dickie, our local prophet of gloom, ..."

I thought you were the person who was insisting that nothing could be done to prevent environmental calamity.

"... is free to leave some of her legacy to http://www.australianwildlife.org/aboutAWC.asp"

Interesting that the same person who has been stridently celebrating greed and self-interest is now attempting to claim the high moral ground.

What possible difference do you think that this legacy, possibly decades away, will make?

How long does it take you to compose (or should I say, copy and paste) posts such as these, Yabby? 5 minutes, perhaps.

And then others are forced to spend possibly hours to point the logical flaws, of which you could not have been unaware, to others.

Yet another whole post from Daggett, with absolutaly nothing to do with
housing. Ah well :)

At some point you have to either accept or reject the findings of evolutionary
psychology, that human nature in general, is driven by self interest. People
may do things to make them feel good, as it feels great to feel good and
is in their self interest. But when the crunch comes, they come first most
of the time. There are of course, limited exceptions, but exceptions they
remain. Deny all this at your peril. I’m not saying that its good or bad,
just that it is. I try to see reality for what it is.

If people won’t address the global overpopulation problem, then nature
will sort it out in the end. Again, I’m not saying that is good or bad, that’s
just how it is. As to West Australia, at 0.83 people per sq km, its one
of the least populated places on earth, so certainly not overpopulated as
you claim.

You and Dickie are both prophets of gloom, you should be very happy
together :)

Translocated species, both plants and animals, are by far the largest
threat to local species. All those little doggie and cat slaves, thrown
out by pet owners, have found a new way to make a living, by
eating local species, or plants by out competing local ones for growing space.

As to AWC, its an example of the great work going on out there, we
are all free to contribute, as I plan to. Much can be achieved without
the hand of Govt.

As to Obama, perhaps you should look at the big picture.
When the question came up about sorting things out with
Iran, Obama said that he’d sit around a table and see what could
be resolved by discussion. Hillary crapped on about the prestige of
the US presidency. I like that kind of thinking by Obama. If we
are to resolve some of the global issues involving the US, the first
thing we need is a bloke who is prepared to talk about-things.

The last sentence in my last post should have read:

"And then others are forced to spend possibly hours to point out the logical flaws, of which you could not have been unaware, to others."

(i.e. "point out" rather than just "point").

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Oh No! I have just wasted my second post of my two-posts-per day daily OLO quota!

What have I done?!

Now I won't be able to spend hours of the rest of my day working out how to, yet again, respond to the further restatement of all those arguments I thought I had already responded to.

*What have I done?!*

Well you could always go back to what you did in the past and
post as Cacofonix etc.

*Now I won't be able to spend hours of the rest of my day working out how to, yet again, respond to the further restatement of all those arguments I thought I had already responded to.*

Clearly there is a huge difference in what you and I think are
logical arguments.

Perhaps it would be in your self interest just to go to the beach
and relax for a change :)

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Actually, I took your advice and headed off the beach, Yabby.

Having reflected, at the beach, upon you persuasive, highly consistent and logical case I have decided to head to WA.

There, I intend to dig up as much iron ore as possible for export to China in order to help fix WA's environment, and, in doing so, help the beleaguered WA property speculators get a more adequate return on their investments by helping to further drive up the demand for housing.

The more pollution which flows into the Yangtze and the more soot that is ingested into the lungs of athletes and spectators at the 2008 Beijing Olympics or which wafts across the Pacific Ocean to California, the more funds there will be available to fix up salination, soil erosion, deforestation and species extinction in WA.

Who could possibly dispute logic like that?

Daggett, I am more and more convinced that deep within your dna, you just
might have a control freak gene buried somewhere. :)

Now you might rate yourself highly, but rest assured that the 1000 million
Chinese and 300 million Americans are quite able to sort out their own affairs,
without your assistance. When they cough loudly enough over there, which
I gather they have, they will start to do something about pollution, which
I gather they are doing.

As to your mining ambitions, its not as easy as you think. Gina Rinehart
tried and failed iron ore mining, eventually jumping into bed with Rio
was the easier option. So frankly I doubt your chances, despite your many
claimed talents :)

Yup, mining income and royalty will certainly assist WA to finance beneficial
public infrastructure projects, which we could not afford, if we were a banana
republic. The new Perth-Mandurah rail link, is but one example. I note that
the Govt is prepared to throw money at the new desalination plant, to make
much of the energy input for that, come from new sustainable energy
projects of various types.

WA is indeed the place to be, if one enjoys living amongst the tranquillity
and harmony of nature, animals etc.. I certainly do and I have the luxury of not having
neighbours for a few km. All that for less the then cost of your average
suburban home. I can even grow my own biofuel, whilst you panic over
peak oil.

All very logical indeed!

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