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Fine state of affairs when only top end put on spot : Comments
By Mark Findlay, published 29/10/2007In a law and order environment that has produced high levels of imprisonment, on-the-spot fines will bring back some balance and provide revenue for an ailing court system.
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Posted by miacat, Monday, 29 October 2007 11:40:53 PM
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On the spot fine linked to the income of the offender will work totally.
If i get $300 i get a $30 fine but if i get $3000 it's $300. Sounds fair as it makes all equal for sure. It seems to work on the user pays system , that the few with alot seem to tell us with not much is for all our good , so shall our ministers do it now or say maybe after the next election. Thats right , i forgot ,they would pay ten times what i would pay so thats not fair is it. They could not get their manicure while i get no dinner.Sounds like we all got the same fair go to me. Not a dig at you Miacat ,just trying to add to this post.Just saying its a good point but to many posts seem to be about the comment not the discussion. Posted by insignificant, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 1:50:02 AM
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Good On You Insignificant. You are right about discussion.
I too wish we could aim at those who appear to just never learn which is I guess the startegy for the 'on the spot' fines however; There are many mistakes in the way we would unjustly profile of everyone like this and, is the reason I reject it. Some of the policies coming down makes it too hard to clean up if there are mistakes. When someone cant defend themselves because of the burden to do so... the system thinks it is working, This I believe is when the whole thing can become narrow and oppressive. The courts are hard enough if you need a defence. When (if you have it) you have to give someone this amount of money for a 'on the spot fine'... it is the communication breakdown, or trying to get the money back, if they are wrong or unreasonable that is a concern. http://www.miacat.com . Posted by miacat, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 3:28:21 PM
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Well this Professor is the Director of the Institute of Criminology at the University of Sydney, no wonder the NSW legal system is on a par with Qld.
After making the following statement it is offensive to me that he is one who claims to be so highly educated in this area that he is a professor. " where an infringement notice is a common punishment." Criminal-infringement-notices are not a punishment they are simply the first step that the Parliament has provided for the lazy coppers to take when he suspects that you have committed a statutory offence or he needs points to beef up his kill sheet. These notices are no different to traffic-infringement-notices and if you read fully the information on the reverse of the sheet you have 28 days to respond to the allegation described on the Notice of which you have been personally served by the armed tax collector, or you elect to have the allegation dealt with judicially. If you fail to respond to the allegation and you fail to pay the penalty claimed by the person serving the notice and you fail to indicate that you want the matter dealt with in court, you have failed to discharge your obligation to this notice of demand you have been served for the alleged offence. The only approach if your innocent of the allegation and wish to object, send the notice back with evidence of your innocence, that is by way of Statutory Declaration sworn on oath by you and the witness as to the facts and circumstances and that you did not engage in the prescribed conduct. If you don't respond to the notice and you don't pay the penalty, you will be summoned to appear in the court and you will always be found guilty and suffer the costs for not discharging your obligations placed on you by the Members of our Parliaments who have passed these laws for and on our behalf. If you vote for them you have authorised this procedure whether you like it or not. Education is the key. Posted by Young Dan, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 2:31:19 AM
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If more was spent on dealing with the causes of crime we might become less fearful and more civilised in all our parts.
When you investigate crime at it's core you will often find a related cause. Much is based on "disturbance". We don't need to create more of it. We need to understand it.
In terms of the high end of town yes... you have a point. But again it is up to citizens to become more active. As we comply to anothers will... we bystand on the right for ALL. This is a moral crime.
More Fear is the last thing we need. Work against the cause of crime. Devise education projects, lobby council, get to the bottom of the problem. Openly Discuss it, write more articles as you have here. (TA)
Collective Securities is a Community Safe Plan that needs the participation of all, if we are to have a fair-go.
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