Fair days works, for a fair days pay, we all say. Who needs to be sacked with that in mind and then who needs the Unions?

Belly,

I'm not taking sides in the debate between you and DWTM. It seems you are making the wrong assumption that where opinions differ, people are in constant disagreement. I agreed with DWTM because I have personally seen the sort of things he talks about up close. And, by the way, they are very real. That's not to say that your viewpoint isn't also legitimate in your own particular workplace environment.

Where you both have something in common is that you can see where people, in different ways, are being victimised in their workplaces and are prepared to say something about it. I think that's a good thing.

If many more people did the same, things would rapidly improve.

RobP well put. If the workers could have a good relationship with their bosses, we would all be better off.

QLDPCS I have watched your posts from the time you came to the forum, welcome.
I as you will see, often take to my side of politics and the union movement.
To be balanced in debate you must try to say what you truly think.
And if not , if you are my side or nothing, you in fact are often wrong.
I remain open to you convincing me you are not a voice for something other than balanced debate.
But you do have the task ahead to convince me.
Unions will be around long after your bones are dust, workchoices has told those who will listen, without safe guards in the workplace the balance is tipped far from fairness.

Maybe after reading the whole thread again DWTM and DAVID BOAZ while helping me prove my point are right.
I have no doubt DWTM was let down by a union, and that union is blind for having such a rule.
BD my old sparing partner, you too are right! if only you could understand the difference.
Not all unions belong in that waste paper basket of criminal actions.
My work life is haunted by CRIMINAL ACTIONS of radical unions, that betray the movement and membership of ALL UNIONS.
We fail the movement by not educating the public about that difference, we fail our selves by not defining the line between unions.
I have indeed had a delegate, a quite man, hard working man , pulled from a machine and told this.
You have the first punch! because no matter what you say you are going to get a flogging!
If I have to kick your door in at 2 am~
I still am a union official that idiot is not.
My delegates crime?
As the thug walked into his lunch room he said Gday mate we are all in the other union.
Have no doubt unions are not evil some however are in need of new directions.
Some would be better employed as doormen in a red light area.
Some miss use members dreadfully.

Belly and hello to you. I am trying to balance a debate, so are right about that point.

What I am against is sheer blatant and blind Unionism ala Mighell, McDonald, Renolds etc etc etc

If you want to know some good the unions can do for you, I suggest you ask them?