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A nuclear powered world : Comments

By Peter Gellatly, published 28/9/2007

Without early, broadscale adoption of nuclear power, unremitting world energy demand will make a mockery of greenhouse amelioration.

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Dickie,
Those are interesting points, but I do not think KAEP is prioritising the safe disposal of your suggested abundance of radioactive "tennis balls". Rather, just now he/she is worried about peace and justice:

"By 2025 there will not be enough liquid fuel for armed forces and police to intervene in race riots and ethnic cleansing campaigns in our suburbs. "

Which makes me who +will+ step in and protect nuclear facilities from riot, mayhem, sabotage, ethnic majorities, minorities and cleansers, etcetera. If the military doesn't have enough fuel to keep the belligerents away from strategic targets, then I guess it will be a job for private contractors. Surely private security contractors wouldn't run out of petrol. Would they?

Or maybe everyone will play fair and respect the need to keep the radioactive bits properly shielded?

Or maybe, if the pebble bed reactors aren't in anyone's back yard, eg well and truly away from the suburbs, like the old HIFAR and MOATA reactors at Lucas Heights used to be, it won't be an issue?

By the way, where did the radioactive bits of those two projects go? I hope they're well and truly out of the suburbs by now -
Posted by Sir Vivor, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 12:04:01 PM
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If we go nuclear, there WILL be enough energy to maintain law and order and national security at PEAKOIL under existing Federalism.

THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.

Further points:

1. Future research will improve a wide range of PBR options.
2. The Chinese already have Car sized PBR reactors that are portable.
3. Ocean dumping of pebbles is a NATURAL part of the Earth's geology. Provided the pebbles are placed in the deepest subduction zones on the planet they will be pushed back into the Earth's mantle to be mixed and spewed out in some future volcano. People who don't understand Geology may be concerned but that is pure ignorance. Current volcaoes are spewing out natures own nuclear secrets as we speak and I can assure people they are orders of magnitude greater than what our insignificant civilisation can ever centrifuge up.
4. The main thing is than the pebbles are continually researched to ensure zero probability of leakage of any product that can dissolve of be carried by currents at 7 miles deep at very high pressure under the ocean. Tere are only very minor candidates for this and pressures are likely to negate any threat.

I am not prepared to sit by while captains Costello and Howard try to impress the world with their personal prowess in how fast they can make the SS Titanic Australia Economy go, icebergs and PEAKOIL notwithstanding.

I sincerely hope there are other Australians who feel the same way and who have the ideas and technologies to back it up.
Posted by KAEP, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 12:51:54 PM
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News article today:

Cape Town - In the long term, nuclear power is the most commercially viable, carbon-emission-free base-load technology, according to Alec Erwin, the minister for public enterprises. Erwin was replying to a parliamentary question from Hendrik Schmidt of the Democratic Alliance.Erwin explained on Tuesday that the costs of radioactive waste management, decommissioning, nuclear indemnity and other third-party liability insurances feature strongly in nuclear energy business plans being drawn up by Eskom, as do the available options to pay for them.

As South Africa has a very similar profile to Aus (semi desert, huge coal supplies for cheap generation) this should carry considerable weight.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 1:22:39 PM
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Good to see you back KAEP.

I know this has nothing to do with tihs thread and will piss off others interested in the nuclear debate, but I don't know how to contact you direct - how is the sea height anomoly in regard to this coming summer?

Does the current drought still correlate to the wastewater plumes?
Posted by tragedy, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 5:24:55 PM
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Tragic,

Current Aus SHA map: http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/trinanes/tmp/sha1191421293.gif

Strike vectors (alternating blue and yellow patches on the SHA map) exist to Thermodynamic wastewater endpoints at:

1. Pt Hedland from the Arafura sea

2. Kalumburu from the Arafura

3. Arafura to Goyder river and onto Karumba

4. West tip of New Guinea into Cairns and on to Karumba

5. Solomon Islands to Mackay

Tropical waves will be felt along these paths as the sun moves south from its current position just south of the Equator. After february 2008 these waves can become Cyclonic if the existing wastewater profiles remain in force.

Once you go past the tropic of Capricorn the situation reverses with the predominant heat source over land.

Now the strike vectors are from Central Aus & SE Qld towards low SHA thermodynamic wastewater Endpoints off:

1. Kempsy, Macleay river

2. Sydney

3. Batemans Bay

This effectively burns off all moisture over NSW leaving it tinder dry. And that's where we are up to.

Last year the predominant wastewater effluent from Sydney (34Sth) was from deep outfall and you can see the blue wastewater patch well off the NSW coast on th 06 map. This causes heat & drought conditions but not as bad as the current situation where the blue plume is right on Sydney's doorstep. I suspect authorites have become aware of RECCE theory from this forum. After the Jun 8 Sydney Storms this year I suspect the BOM, CSIRO and Sydney Water got together and decided to cut usage of the outfall off Sydney to encourage warm winter Tasman sea low pressure systems to hit the NSW coast. That's just Low entropy heat to high entropy wastewaters or the second law of thermodynamics.

Continued ..
Posted by KAEP, Thursday, 4 October 2007 1:31:49 AM
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KAEP,
re:
"2. The Chinese already have Car sized PBR reactors that are portable."

I have been thinking about a bicycle tour of China, and am very interested in knowing more about these car-sized Chinese Pebble Bed Reactors. What detail can you provide?

By the way, if you open a gmail, yahoo or hotmail account, Tragic can initially contact you there - and then you can close the account.
Posted by Sir Vivor, Thursday, 4 October 2007 8:13:44 AM
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