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Australia’s nuclear future : Comments

By Helen Caldicott, published 2/8/2007

Australia is in grave danger. The Labor party has joined the Coalition in its open-slather uranium mine policy.

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Steady attempt to impost own will globally is paranoia distracting from a major task factual, which is sustaining national well-being apart from “globalization” of resource.
Posted by MichaelK., Monday, 27 August 2007 11:19:52 AM
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Bronco Lane ..
"Dickie you are a precious person it is a relief that we do have people like yourself that is helping to educate those that do not realise "
..Well , I'll be VERY interested to be educated in power distribution
"those that have experienced close contacts with Nuclear Power Australia has not experienced the suffering yet "
..Where is Nuclear Power Australia and the promised suffering , in N.S.W. or some further location ?! the future maybe ?!
" Right now (Nuclear Cancer) whoops the cause. O'k (Uranium Cancer) "
..Googling cancer and nuclear is the same kind of logic as googling U.F.O. and abduction , a high hit rate is by itself meaningless
"I must admit that since I have come onto this opinion site apart from listening arguments the extreme right wing who do have their axe
to grind because of profit"
..Some evil plutocrats , oil industry fiends and crypto nazoids are on this site ,
Gasp! Shock ! Horror ! they should be shot I presume , or forcefully reeducated

Dickie ..
"Scepticism is a requirement when being fed glowing reports on the safety of nuclear by the industry which has the most to gain."
.. fair enough , but the same can be said of the glowing reports from the alternative power industry
" they remain silent on the scores of accidents in this industry "
Hardly , all operational and S.H.E. matters are logged ,an analysis of events ,incidents and accidents would immediately show any fiddling ,
The authorities in Sweden ,Germany ,Canada or France could not hide clusters of cancers ,
in the case of Sweden the decommissioning of their reactors has been pushed back to keep using them .
In Germany ,the life span of the reactors has been extended by the last social-democrat -green coalition .
There is no future for nuclear power in Australia ,
a green scare campaign has very efficiently delivered electrical generation to the coal industry
That's the net result , and all this sophistry doesn't change it .

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Posted by randwick, Monday, 27 August 2007 9:17:21 PM
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Randwick

There appears to be a problem with your interpretation of the written word. I do apologise for again having to bring this to your attention.

You draw attention to this part of my sentence: "they remain silent on the scores of accidents in this industry."

Then you argue: "Hardly, all operational and S.H.E. matters are logged, an analysis of events, incidents and accidents would immediately show any fiddling."

My sentence commenced: "So while the PROPONENTS are singing the praises of the "new age nuclear technology" they remain silent on the scores of accidents.................."

I was referring to the nuclear energy PROPONENTS on this thread, Randwick. These proponents have not once acknowledged or debated the nuclear accidents raised in this thread, or those accidents occurring in the mining of uranium. Therefore, they have remained silent, despite the fact they are well aware of the blunders occurring in those industries. Or are they in denial?

It is obvious, you have interpreted the word "proponents" as the "operators" or perhaps "regulators" of the nuclear industry!

Definition of proponent: One who argues in support of something!
Posted by dickie, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 12:21:00 AM
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Dear Randwick
Unfortunately you do not answer regarding the many deaths and mutations from Nuclear Power and Uranium Mining. A lot of your thread appears cryptic and needs clarity. Americans and Europeans are experiencing multiple problems with Nuclear Reactors and the latest scare mongering is now Japan. What magnificent brain decided to build Nuclear Power Stations on top of a volcanic Rock. Japan was formed due to relatively recent eath quakes and they stupidly decide to take that risk even after being decimated with the atom bomb twice. So clever and a risk to neighbouring countries. A lot of the North of Britain suffered due to Chernobil but we have to block that out of our mind that was only incompetance that caused that. We never have any electrical faults or power cuts here in Australia do we. We do not believe in putting electricity underground do we ? No it is cheaper to layit on top of telegraph poles isn't it for everybody to look at. This isn't harmful is it ? It is within the safety standards isn't it. We do not have children suffering from various cancers at Princess Margaret Hospital do we. There are reasons why this occurs but we are baffled why this is happening. Time will tell
Posted by Bronco Lane, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 1:13:36 AM
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"These proponents have not once acknowledged or debated the nuclear accidents raised in this thread"

This head in the sand ostrich rubbish permeates this thread!

The statement is not only indicative of this rubbish it is also UNTRUE:

My last post clearly acknowledged the nuclear accidents raised in this thread and compared them to, coal industry disasters, car accidents and past wars and the future PeakOil war. There is NO comparison. Thats the point. Nuclear accidents and potential accidents are INSIGNIFICANT even with current sloppy fuel reactors, compared to the above.

And the REAL points?

1. Only a nuclear baseload strategy implemented fairly quickly can stop billions of people dying as PeakOil bites. The second-law-of-thermodynamics guarantees this. Energy at the appropriate density for human populations that currently use oil will create ORDER. That ORDER will be significantly greater than with oil because there are NO associated high entropy pollutants to negate the low entropy PBR reactor source.

2. Pebble fuels and reactors are SAFE. The Uranium and other radionuclides are LOCKED in a ceramic ball. They can't get out and cannot form critical mass beyond the design meant for the reactor they are used in. There are no dangers at all and greater use of PBR reactors will see standards improved even though PBR is already 10s of times safer than coal industries right now.

3. Solar and wind power cannot mount the necessary energy densities to stave off a global civil collapse at PeakOil. PROPONENTS of these sources are wasting their time and jeopardising the lives of billions of people.

4 If and When the threat of PeakOil is abridged. PBR reactors can be dismantled safely. As GEOTHERMAL power generation utilities become cheaper to laser drill and engineer they will replace nuclear and and come on line en masse.

5 As we approach PeakOil, other nations will want to come and take our Uranium. That means we have no choice but to develop it ourselves as a deterrence to that threat. Conventional armies run on oil and will be of no use to stop any sustained horde attack.

Continued..
Posted by KAEP, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 6:09:27 AM
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Continuing..

And while we are at we can make the most of the profits from nuclear fuel and mini reactor sales by ploughing it back into energy research for the future.

In summary the anti nuclear element on this thread are coming across as being snide, selfish and deceiving "she'll be right mate" twits who want their cosy lives to stay the same in the face of the greatest calamity that has ever hit mankind. They don't give a damn about the science or the rest of mankind. Sooner or later they will be sidelined as the TRUTH about our precarious future prevails and filters down to thinking individuals.
Posted by KAEP, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 6:12:27 AM
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