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Saudi Arabia, Wahhabism and the spread of Sunni theofascism - Part 1 : Comments

By Curtin Winsor, Jr., published 16/7/2007

The Saudi Government has lavishly financed the propagation of Wahhabism - an alien, perverted version of Islam - throughout the world.

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You can be a Christian...and no one will know the difference in the street.
You can be an atheist and the same applies.

but its unlikely that you will be an unnoticable Wahabist.

Wahabism was behind 9/11 and London and Madrid.

JOIN A RALLY AGAINST SHARIA with us at Parliament House (Melbourne) on Tuesday Sept 11 at 11:00 am. There will be no speeches (at this stage) just signs, banners and handouts. Non sectarian, all welcome, faithful, faithless and frustrated. We don't care if there are 5 or 5000 people. (as long as you are peaceful)

Let's remember there are 13 people charged with Terrorism in Melbourne. Wahabism is not far of the root of their motivation in my opinion.

The rally will be one of many world wide, all saying the same thing.
Don't just get mad.. DO something.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 5:25:38 PM
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Yabby,

Who is going to sink those tankers?

If it's a country the US would flatten them. The US may not be good at occupation but for sheer distractive power the US military is peerless.

If, say, Iran were to try and block the straits within a few weeks they would have no airfields, no missile launch sites, no aircraft, probably even no electricity.

Why would they want to block the straits anyway? Their economy is in a parlous condition. Without oil revenue it would be in free fall.

Terrorists may sink one of two tankers but the industry would cope. You forget something. Those tankers are worthless if they're not transporting oil. Even if insurance rates went up 50 fold it would still pay the owners to use them rather than to have them idle.

Government would help. Governments which coped with Nazi U-boats across the Atlantic should be able to cope with the odd terrorist in the Gulf.

If only oil would go to $200 / barrel!

Yes it would cause a severe recession. But we'd be out of it within a few years and using much less oil to boot.

At $70 / barrel coal to liquids is a marginal proposition. At $200 it's a no brainer.

At $70 hybrid cars are a personal statement. At $200 they're sound economics and the price comes down as volume ramps up.

At $70 people hang on to SUVs. At $200 they buy more economical cars.

If oil goes to $200 all kinds of ingenuity will be applied to finding newer, better ways of moving people. Many new technologies will be invented. It would take time, maybe a decade, but we'd overcome the obstacles.

You underestimate:

--The dynamism and versatility of modern high tech free market economies

--The ability of governments and the insurance industry to cope with local disturbances

--The fact that all the gulf states have a very strong interest in keeping the straits open.
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 8:09:07 PM
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Steven, I think that you massively overestimate the abilities of
the US in today's world. Yes they are well known for their ability
to drop lots of bombs and missiles. So what? They still lost the
Vietnam war, they have lost the Iraq war, they can't even catch
Osama or his no 2, who are basically a few towel heads running around
the hills of Pakistan. Meantime the radicalisation of Islam
continues around the world, financed by Saudi petrodollars, as
is pointed out in this article.

The US today is the world's largest debtor nation, with trillions
of $ of debts. The money for oil which they wish to import, is basically being bankrolled by China and Japan. Sounds like a super
power to you? Methinks not. Clinton had at least headed them
in the right direction and things were improving. Now we have
George and Dick and its been one disaster after the next.
America is going downhill fast!

An oil tanker on blocks for a few months, in one piece, is worth
far more then a bombed out tanker. Why would anyone risk their
ship? It won't happen.

Anyone could lay mines in the Straits of Hormuz. As we know from
Al Queda, when the US don't have an obvious target, their military
is pretty well stuffed.

Yup, high oil prices will bring about new technology etc. But the
lead time to build say a coal to oil plant or anything similar, is
many years. We see how jumpy that oil markets are today, over
every little scare. Thats because they know that markets require
oil tomorrow, not in 5 or 10 years time. Meantime your wheels would
fall off your economic cart.

If America were serious, they would challenge the Sauds about
radicalising Islam. But they won't, as they know that the Sauds
have them by the proverbial testicles and are squeezing when it
matters.
Posted by Yabby, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 9:44:44 PM
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Bravo Steven Meyer Refreshing to hear some pragmatism in amongst all the bloody conspiracy nuts
Posted by Paul.L, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 11:02:39 PM
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Western society has progressed in the way it has because of its emphasis on logos rather than mythos, especially since the mid-eighteen century. Conservative Islamic religionism and conservative Christianism are history's twins, beit [*bastardised] Jihad or Crusade. Whether it is the Latin Pope as the Vicar of Christ or Politics as a sacrament of religion, we have clones. Perhaps, in its seventh century origins and, here and there in history; Islam was the more tolerant religion.

* "jihad" means a struggle [not a Holy War]: A struggle to order one's life to give priority to God in all aspects of life.

BOAZ,

What is your understanding of Islamic concept of the People of the Book
Posted by Oliver, Thursday, 19 July 2007 10:29:31 PM
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