Hi Chrissie

I assume you may be Christian. As such you'd reject like Christ many of the teachings and practises of the Hebrews and the 'Old Testament', as shown particularly in Christ's Sermon on the Mount. That teaching highlights the basic differences and similarities between the beliefs of the Hebrews and Christianity.

The Holy Land at that time was occupied and effectively 'owned' by the Romans. Should we clamour to restore their occupation and 'ownership' because that was the situation at that point in history? No I think not. It would be silly and wouldn't take into account modern realities.

No I don't subscribe to any former proposed land partitions, including the British one of '47. Most partitions and borders were artificial and imposed by the British. We all understand Israel, at that point in history, was carved off from Arab owned land. The Jewish people don't clamour for the implementation of you cited legal partition nor do the Arabs clamour for the later British partition. The Arabs offer peace and security at '67 Borders. I agree with that as it takes account of all the modern realities. It's a compromise, I know but a realistic one.

I do recall a British character, Lawerence, who gave the Arabs undertakings regarding independence in exchange for their assistance in WW1. That helped the British defeat and oust the Turks...from the Holy Land.
Should we clamour for Lawerence's promised independence or the Turk partition or the British Partition because they were they situation at those points in history? I think not. That would be silly and none take into account modern realities.

I assume you are pro-Israeli. If you are do you support the Israeli land-stealing from, and the occupation and suppression of many of the Holy Land's Arabs? I think you wouldn't.

I as a Western Liberal Democrat cannot. I am forthright, honest and outspoken in my opposition to those Israeli activities. If that makes me anti-Israeli, in your estimation...well then... you're intelligent you work it out.

Now what about you?

Keith,

Where are you even coming from?

You made no attempt to answer my questions about why Palestinians only started to have land after Israel took it in 1967 from Egypt and Jordan, after they both, along with other cowardly yet typically impotent Arab states, invaded Israel?

I already explained about how Muslims care nothing for the land, it's about who occupies it. This is why Palestinians cared little about being subjugated by Egypt in the west bank before Israel took it.

Are they even people to you? Muslims I mean? Don't they deserve to be asked the same questions you would ask of say, the British?

Regarding Iran and Saudi Arabia, Iran does occupy nations. It funds Hezbollah & Hamas, and fought Israel last year throught it's proxy Hezbollah.

As for Saudi Arabia, basically every radical mosque built on earth is funded by their black oil money. This form of imperialism, Islamic imperialism, is the only sort left in the world.

Ask yourself why it is that the Jewish people, who everyone agrees are actually from that part of the world, had to go back?

Do you not know how Islamic societies regard infidels, particularly Jews? They drove them out because they were intolerant. You should read more about Dhimmitude - the status non-Muslims are given under Islam.

Haven't you ever wondered why there was so much anger at Cronulla, as when Muslims would show up at the rockpools, angry bearded racists would force everyone out of the pool so their burqa clad wives could swim without being contaminated by lowly infidels?

You should read more.

How is Israel an apartheid state? Arabs are treated better there than anywhere else in the region!

When the wall was built, Arabs begged to be allowed to live on the Israeli side of the wall, and when the recent fighting between the barbarians broke out, where did Palestinians fleeing want to go?

Not to Egypt, or Jordan, but, you guessed it, Israel!

THIS SAYS EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE SITUATION.

Benjamin

Let me quote you

'As for Saudi Arabia, basically every radical mosque built on earth is funded by their black oil money. This form of imperialism, Islamic imperialism, is the only sort left in the world.'

I don't think that is imperialism. I think it is an expression of religious choice and evangelism. The content of that choice is the business of those who make the choice.

As for anything radical well that's fine in my book and our Western Democracies have laws that defend peoples rights to express their religion. Don't you understand that? We also have laws and forces that react to outlawed behaviour. As we've seen recently.

Your comment wasn't directed at Christian churches or missions or Jewish synagogues or Christian Outreach centres or Mormon Temples or Seventh Day Adventists or other radical christian groups or pagans or Devil worshippers who all try to spread their particular brand of belief. You make an unsubstianted claim that many mosques are focused on radical imperialism rather than the spread of their religious belief. Unless you can present proof of this and can show other groups don't try to spread their beliefs then you stand condemned as a bigot and racist. And a in my book fool.

'Ask yourself why it is that the Jewish people, who everyone agrees are actually from that part of the world, had to go back?'

Two things you overlook the Russian Jews who have no blood links to Palestine and not everybody agrees with your opinions. Millions of people from the mid east disagree with your opinion.

'Iran does occupy nations.' Really which nations has it physically occupied? I think your definition of occupation a bit sus and merely self-serving.

'How is Israel an apartheid state?' I never said it was.

'THIS SAYS EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE SITUATION.'

Yep, I'm not allowed to see things in any other way than what you want me to see them. Right?

Now that's a perfectly reasonable proposition for a rascist bigot.

I recently downloaded a free book called Samson Blinded. It is a book I'd recommend everyone read, though it will utterly disgust many.

"Samson Blinded: A Machiavellian Perspective on the Middle East Conflict, by Obadiah Shoher, abandons moralizing and ideological hubris to view Israeli-Muslim struggle in terms of raw realpolitik."

http://samsonblinded.org/blog/shohers-book/

The moralising of a few spoilt British academics is to be expected, but enormously pathetic. An outcome of the feminisation of society which manifests itself most strongly in the fantasy land of academia.

Benjamin. Sadly, Israel is an Apartheid state. " You are for us, or against us!".Now who said that?

Shalom!

Keith,

You mabye shouldn't read this, as the logic in my arguments is so inescapable it may make your head explode.

Seriously, proceed with care.

Churches spreading their words? Where, in the mid-east? They're all being blown up or smashed down, are you really that ignorant?

In Saudi Arabia, Qatar, but many others, churches are ILLEGAL. Do you understand?

Where are the protests by Muslims in Australia about this apartheid? Like how we protested when RSA had it?

You are so ignorant, you know nothing of Saudi Islam either. Every mosque they build is 'wahabi', which means TERRORISM.

Even leftists, and even many Muslims, acknowledge this! How old are you?

Serious, you need to go and read.

Yeah, play the race card you coward. Can't argue my point so call me a bigot. That don't work no more, people are awakening to the insanity of that fear mongering tactic.

You ask what nation Iran 'physically occupies'.

That is so cheap, you know as well as I that they run Hezbollah. They therefore have a proxy army. Syria isn't in Lebanon either but they still have much power....