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Climate change and the world's poor : Comments

By Andrew Hewett, published 3/7/2007

Climate change is arguably the gravest threat ever faced by humanity.

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The rise in temperature of the globe in the last 106 years aggregates .6 of a degree.

All the concern of the alarmists arises from what might happen in the future. Climate always has changed and always will. We are none the worse for it, and in fact would be in serious difficulty if climate ceased to change.

It may or may not have something to do with greenhouse gases. The very small contribution by human activity to a minor greenhouse gas, CO2 has negligible impact, if it has any impact at all.

The desperate search by Oxfam for victims, to justify its existence and its imposition on the developed world is pathetic.

If this is the best it can produce, it should disband, and let its constituents find something useful to do. Disbanding of pernicious organizations like the UN would be a laudable aim.

With the scientific information available to the IPCC committee of the UN, it is in a position to disclose that

1 There has been no warming of the globe since 1998.

2 It is highly unlikely that greenhouse gases cause global warming.

3 CO2 has a negligible effect, if any, on global warming.

Yet it persists in prevarication, and misleading statements, in its summary, which is not prepared by scientists, but by spin merchants from 150 countries, most of which have the sole aim of advancing their own country’s interests to the detriment of the developed world, by attempting to advance the myth of global warming.
Posted by Nick Lanelaw, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 5:44:16 PM
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Amazes me how some folk are happy to refute the findings of the IPCC - with is almost unanimous backing by world climate scientists - and then invent their own science to debunk it.

As I walk the streets it is hard to find anybody who has not become convinced that human activity is causing climate change. In the past year many reluctant diehards have come across the line.

The few flat-earthers left seem to have found company on this site.

Well, we live in a democracy, so good luck to you, but the price for being wrong has a very high moral price.

Are you prepared to wear that if you are proved wrong? We are talking about the fate of millions of fellow human beings.

Give yourself 15 years, then if you are wrong be prepared to make big amends - because just saying sorry will not be enough if the author is indeed correct
Posted by gecko, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 6:17:54 PM
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gecko,

"Are you prepared to wear that if you are proved wrong?"

Yes. Are you prepared to do the same when, like your original 'flat earthers' you are proved wrong?

Or do you still believe that the world is flat?
Posted by Leigh, Wednesday, 4 July 2007 9:25:37 AM
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"Well, we live in a democracy, so good luck to you"
Thankfully we do indeed live in a democracy. This should ensure that Inconvenient sheep don't push us down the road of environmental martyrdom.

"As I walk the streets..."
So you're admitting to being a street walker, I knew it!

"Are you prepared to wear that if you are proved wrong?"
Yep...me too.
Posted by alzo, Wednesday, 4 July 2007 9:58:18 AM
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I am able to assist you gecko, as to why people are so misled on the mythical spectre of global warming, by quoting from evidence given to the United States Senate, by an eminent Australian scientist, Bob Carter:

“Given the many uncertainties and inadequacies in our understanding of climate science, and the lack of empirical evidence for human causation, how has it come about that public opinion in western nations is convinced that dangerous human-caused warming is occurring? The answer is that the public have been conditioned by the relentless repetition of alarmist climate messages through the media.”

The full document is well worth reading and is at:

http://www.lavoisier.com.au/papers/articles/BobCarterUSSenate2006-2.pdf

If you read my post, I point out that the IPCC Summary is not the product of the scientists who do the research, but of politicians. It does not take much research to confirm this, but you obviously have not done it.

The mendacity of the UN was highlighted in a case where the Judge looked at the IPCC Summary and concluded that part of it was demonstrably untruthful and misleading:

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/qld/QLRT/2007/33.html

The UN publishes the Summary, and delays publication of the Report until it has ensured that the Report agrees with the Summary. This is the precise opposite of approved scientific method.
Posted by Nick Lanelaw, Wednesday, 4 July 2007 10:21:37 AM
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Countries and businesses across the world are making strategic plans, and adopting progressive policies, to adapt to Climate Change and reduce GHG emissions.

This article by Andrew Hewitt of Oxfam has brought out of the woodwork again the intransigents in an attempt not to address the article itself, but to sabotage and destabilize climate science, the people, countries and institutions that see climate change as a real threat to the world.

These intransigents could engage in a constructive way – they don’t. They have a negative and unhelpful philosophy based on false premises leading to invalid arguments.

They have the audacity to accuse the experts (when they don't like the message) of the very thing they themselves are guilty of; they distort the truth, misrepresent the facts and quote out of context - to use Nick’s term, the ‘mendacity’ and negativity of these intransigents is extraordinary.

Bob Carter is eminent Australian scientist as Nick says, he is also recognised as a supporter of the policies and strategies of the Lavoisier Group; an extreme right-wing think tank that seeks to undermine not only the science of climate change, but also any political, social or economic action that may adversely impact their quest for power, control – to maintain the status quo.

It would help discussion if people at least understood the UNFCCC or IPCC process, or indeed the process of the UNCSD.

I would say to Nick, “it does not take much research to confirm this” … but you obviously have not done it adequately, or you have not understood it, or you are distorting it for your own agenda.

Some people, countries, businesses and institutions want to solve problems in a constructive way. It is frustrating to progress as a society when intransigents as exposed here stifle this process?
Posted by davsab, Wednesday, 4 July 2007 11:59:08 AM
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