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A lot of hot air? : Comments

By William Kininmonth, published 22/6/2007

ABC TV's decision to show a shortened version of the 'Great Global Warming Swindle' is an attempt to discredit it, even before it is shown.

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Yeah, dunno if we can trust this Kininmonth bloke, what with his links to those evil organisations, the Australian Bureau of Meteorology and the World Meteorological Organisation (cue Dr. Evil laugh).
Posted by Richard Castles, Saturday, 23 June 2007 2:02:14 AM
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Whatever strange reasons gave rise to the embarrassments - as the saying goes "some mothers do have 'em".
Posted by colinsett, Saturday, 23 June 2007 10:13:19 AM
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Global warming - it's a measurable fact - but who or what is responsible? Do we take action to reduce greenhouse gasses or do nothing except pointing fingers at Sol? Sol is unquestionably the all powerful source of life on planet Earth - a fact known to the Incas, Pharaohs and Aborigines many solar orbits ago.

The truth of the matter is that both fossil man and Sol are culpable for Global warming. It's collaboration - combustion and fusion.

Fossil man has a serious carbon addiction that measurably changes the composition of Earth's atmosphere, while Sol - our middle aged sun every so often let's off flares that cause all manner of problems to electricity grids on the fourth rock out from the sol.

What course should policy makers take? The precautionary principle is a moral and political principle which states that if an action or policy might cause severe or irreversible harm to the public, in the absence of a scientific consensus that harm would not ensue, the burden of proof falls on those who would advocate taking the action.

The precautionary principle is most often applied in the context of the impact of human actions on the environment and human health, as both involve complex systems where the consequences of actions may be unpredictable and irreversible.

As applied to environmental policy, the precautionary principle stipulates that for practices such as the release of radiation or toxins, massive deforestation or overpopulation, the burden of proof lies with the advocates.

Clearly we need to get over our carbon addiction. We cannot do much about Sol's fusion - unless, the ancients were right and sacrifices can work to save mankind - the heads of the biggest petroleum companies and their advocates may just make a difference.
Posted by fair go, Saturday, 23 June 2007 11:22:17 AM
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Richard Castles, its not for William Kininmonths work for BoM & WMO as an administrator and weather forcaster (last science paper in 1973) that i ref'd Sourcewatch, not the bit about support by the Lavoisier Group or WKs support for any-excuse-will-do skeptics like Hugh Morgan and fudgers like David Bellamy.

It was this line:
In a letter to to The Age newspaper, Kininmonth wrote that "Greenhouse gases emit more radiation than they absorb and their direct impact is to cool the atmosphere."
He's pulling our leg, isn't he?
Posted by Liam, Saturday, 23 June 2007 3:30:20 PM
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BB Part One

Still there, Ludwig, nice to make your acquaintance again, and surprised to find you possibly more a Queensland T’othersider than a West Aussie Sandgroper.

Must say that my publication you gave admirable comment on, was more my philosophical thoughts from way back in the 1950s when my young wife became very interested in a book by the American writer Louis Bromfield called Malabar Farm.

As it was, the block us both ex-WW2 army persons received a military loan for, was a partly cleared but unused property so similar to so many at the end of the war.

Typical of those partly cleared properties it had been mostly used to run sheep and cattle, and with watering points feeding low lying dams, the hillside stock-trails were deeply scoured, the lighter formerly cleared land with odd regrown bush, unlovely deserted through prevailing winds.

Thus it was the bush wives who became the first Westralian Greenies, even when we established the first local town golf course on a large railway dam catchment, who made us skirt the fairways around scenic patches of timber they admired. Further, my young wife told she would leave me if I didn’t do the same as I cleared the rest of the farm.
We along with another farmer 25 miles down south, were the first to buy the recommended Malabar style chisel ploughs to dig deep but leave the natural shallow topsoil on top, rather than to lose it in the sour yellow subsoil, through discing or furrowing in with standard ploughs.
But such farming according to ag’ advisers was too expensive, and as the years went on it was on to 1000 acre paddocks, the Malabar-style recommended measured contour banks ploughed over to make way for true broad acre modern agriculture
Posted by bushbred, Saturday, 23 June 2007 4:08:43 PM
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BB Part Two

Hope you are still there, Ludwig.

As with this present season, heavy dry east winds have turned paddocks into deserts, but it has been somewhat prevented interestingly by an annually continuous cropping leaving a measured amount of stubble behind, helped by not overstocking with sheep.

Further though there is a certain resentment about chemical weed-killing, it does mean that the precious shallow topsoil can be preserved by using narrow knife tilling machinery points rather than the old duck-foot shaped weed rooters which also caused hard panning of the subsoil.

So it is thus with reasonable seasons, Ludwig, West Australian farmers have become known over recent years, to produce the most yields from the poorest soils, and even our rural womenfolk have given praise about our land management.

But with seasons seemingly dryer, I do worry about our great grandkids after we’ve gone, and whether learning from us about about the old bush grind or grizzle, will be enough to combat a climate change, which we and our more recent forefathers could have easily caused through
growing greed and tech’ ?

Cheers, George C, WA
Posted by bushbred, Saturday, 23 June 2007 4:20:15 PM
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