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We lead the world in green initiatives : Comments

By Malcolm Turnbull, published 8/6/2007

The Howard Government is environmentally and economically responsible.

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Howard government. Green. Oxymoron.
Posted by chainsmoker, Saturday, 9 June 2007 12:01:05 PM
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Is this the laxative we had to have?

The Prime Minister's climate-change report is soft on resolve, and this rubba-dubb-dubb piece by Turnbull is just more saccharine nonsense.
He speaks only for the invested interests.

A nuclear-fission future denotes an acceptance of "Failure" as an outcome. His prescriptions do not speak to me.
Posted by clink, Saturday, 9 June 2007 12:31:00 PM
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As regards doing something about climate change, reckon the Howard government leads the world in stealing the agenda, or in Aussie vernacular coming in on the grouter.

Certainly Dubya Bush is about as bad. Yet it is an old historical tale that the true Avante-guarde hardly ever gets credit because they too often annoy a dumb public with non-companionable appearance and tales of truth or change which seem all poppy-cock.

Further, as regards a dumb public, they also become prey to the lies and spin, or the wink of a US Bush-style eye, similar to the smooth con-man dialectic of our own Environmental Minister.

Let's get real and see things as they really are.

Get onto Costello about selling precious government stock to build up his massive Future Fund which really in all truth still has not caught up with his nearly 600 billion overseas trading debt.
Posted by bushbred, Saturday, 9 June 2007 1:43:52 PM
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Australia leading the world in green initiatives? Even a spin doctor as talented as Malcom Turnbull should have a hard time selling this one.

Hasn't Europe already had an emmission trading system for years? Carbon taxes in England, wind power in Denmark, solar power stations in Spain anyone?

The only initiative that might get us over the mark for Kyoto is the reduction in land clearing in the 90's. I hope Turnbull's not trying to take credit for this, given the Liberal Party's record on forestry.

The goverment did replace my light bulbs with incandescent ones, but wait...that was the State Government. And don't try to tell me that demanding a new international arrangement on climate change from behind the legs of the US counts as a green credential - it doesn't.

With coal sequestration decades away, I fail to see anything meaningful or bold coming out of the Howard Government in relation to climate change. The truth is Australia is lagging well behind the nations that are leading on climate change reform. What's worse is we have a government that is lagging behind its own electorate on the issue.
Posted by Tak, Saturday, 9 June 2007 5:38:46 PM
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I'm glad the Coalition didn't sign Kyoto since many member nations have failed to reach their quotas anyway.To weaken our economies out of fear will not enable us to find energy alternatives anyway.During the time of the Dinosaurs the planet was 10 deg C hotter and life thrived with co2 levels 13 times that of the present.We are not going to reach anywhere near these levels in the next 50yrs,so why do we panic so?Scientists are talking about a couple of degrees.The polar caps will only partially melt since much of these areas are minus 60 deg C.

There will be both positives and negatives of global warming and we will have to adapt.Plant life will flouish and so we can give it a helping hand.The most important consideration is that of over population which is happening in developing nations,who are allowed to pollute at will.No one is going to stop China or India burning fossil fuels so a self flagellating Aust that punishes itself for no effect,will mean absolutely nothing.

Much more effort has to go into solar energy since the Sun is our largest nuclear reactor.Someone needs to develop a standard roof panel that is also a solar panel so every house can reduce it's use of fossil fuels.It can be done however our oil companies have far too much power and influence over our Govts.If solar became popular and effective ,that would mean the oil companies/Govts would lose their monopoly on energy since no one has yet to sell or tax sunlight.Could it be the return of daylight robbery when we were taxed on the numbers of windows in our houses?

So take a deep breath,the world will not end in the next 50 or 100yrs since it has experienced far hotter extremes in the past and life thrived.
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 10 June 2007 2:53:59 PM
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Arjay

I am not convinced of your claim where you state that Earth flourished during the dinosaur era.

Scientist Dewy McLean has hypothesised that those warmer periods, where abrupt increases of greenhouse gases and CO2 occurred, resulted in the past extinctions of many species including the dinosaur. There has been much conjecture from other scientists whose own theories on species extinctions are now in question.

McLean refers to huge volcanic eruptions and subsequent plumes, where the emissions caused increases in CO2 which had a devastating effect on life forms.

It's an interesting theory, espoused long before most of us started debating on global warming.

Calling up "McLean 1994 extinctions" should give you plenty interesting reading.

The increase in human population is of great concern regarding the destruction of this planet by the ever widening human footprint.

Of course our leaders tell us population increases for Australia are essential, which is another pathetic excuse for increasing hazardous industrial and domestic pollution, all in the name of "prosperity" for this arid nation!
Posted by dickie, Sunday, 10 June 2007 4:08:11 PM
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