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Our great Judeo-Christian tradition : Comments

By Irfan Yusuf, published 30/5/2007

Peter Costello seems to believe that the Judeo-Christian tradition exclusively forms the basis of 'Australian values'.

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Probably the biggest dangers facing our world right now, unhappily do concern originally the prophet Abraham's sons and daughters, the Jews, the Arabs and us people of Christian stock.

Yet out in the bush in the 1920s and thirties we all seemed to get on, Jewish woolbuyers and Afghan traders mixing with the settlers, from a young kid's point of view no sense of hatred among us at all.

Though one could say that never a Jew or an Afghan was ever allowed through the front door, business was always discussed outside.

The superiority was thus there, as well as shown from not only British but also from German family names like Liebe, Schultz and Carlhausen, similar to in the US, were Teutonic names were so prominent in both World Wars, cousins fighting cousins as the result of so many German families leaving their home countries to start a new life.

Thus we have the stories of how the Teutonic barbarians finally took over Rome, after Roman leaders over hundreds of years gradually lost or cut loose the beginnings of a democracy inherited from the Greeks, eventually to return from a lazy sojourn to find a Germanic sitting on the Roman throne.

In fact, it has been said that it has been the rise of Teutonic or Germanic superiority since the Islamics were sent on the run apart from the Ottomans, that have caused the Arabs as some say to be treated like low life.

The Jews also were treated similarly to the Arabs, but their ability to have a natural sense of reason besides deep faith, has produced some of our greatest thinkers, which helped merge the spirit of capitalism into our Protestant Ethic.

But while we give praise, we also should be allowed to feel a certain amount of contempt for both us Protestants and Jews letting our leaders assume mantles of global elitism as if some sort of almighty God would want it that way.

The facts are, from a fair-minded point of view it does not look good.
Posted by bushbred, Thursday, 7 June 2007 5:12:10 PM
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Funny how monotheists think they are the only people on the planet. With the exception of Ben Sira who turned the law of David into the bible, OT, mans law into gods law, transferred the greek concept of body worship into the Hebrew faith the "great" Jewish thinkers were all marginalised persons.

The great Jewish thinkers developed to the background of persecution, that is why mostly they stem from Europe and Central Asia. It is also why there has never in history been great Christian thinkers (with the exception of African American liberationalists)because Christians have always persecuted rather than be persecuted. There has been no great Moslem thinkers for ten centuries for the same reason.

Great thought can only be accomplihed from freedom of thought, free thought is a deviancy from controlled thought. Mills reacted against the anti human movement of 19th century protestant Christians , became a great thinker. Kant towed the line and became an apologist for dogma, a lousy thinker. Marx classified capital in light of the persecution of the working masses. Freud classified human deviency from cultural norms, those who within society are persecuted by society.

The reason why Christianity and Islam are persecuters is because the lack of spirituality and the primacy of gaining power both cults contain. Both were created to justify power to kings and is why both are essentially martial cults based on rigid heirachy. In no way is post Nicean Christianity the same as the multitude of Christian cults of the Classic Roman era. Both Constantine and Mohommed had one agenda , to use superstition to cultivate loyalty and power.

Who is it that claims "Gods will" and "In god we trust" which are exactly the same thing , with our mind we think for god.
Posted by West, Monday, 11 June 2007 12:10:08 PM
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Now we should have a reflection back that the new mufti indicated not to make comments unless it is approved by the board of clerics. Hilali was to me a messenger to warn about the evil rather then being evil himself as many seemed to attribute to him. Whatever resulted for him no longer to be a mufti is not just perhaps harmful to Muslims but also to the FREEDOM OF SPEECH. What we really have achieved is the censoring of FREEDOM OF SPEECH and repress this and FREEDOM OF RELIGION.

The Islamic religion means to me as much as the Christian kind of religions. Just don’t bother me with it.
However, I too view that women hardly clothed are causing if not themselves then others to more likely befall pray of rape, etc. I view that the standard of decency has been limited to gutter tactics.
Repressing FREEDOM OF SPEECH may have served many because it was a Muslim Mufti but once you start on this where will it end?

I may not have always agreed with what the Mufti was saying but that is not relevant as many may not agree with my views either.
However, we have currently a political domineering of religion and politicians falling over each other to try to get certain religions on their side so they can be the next government.

Fools, o fools, to fall for this kind of cheap trickery.
Nothing Hilali stated, for so far I am aware off, ever offended me personally and so why worry about him. The problem we are facing however is that the very dangers the Framers of the Constitution warned against now have been made part of our daily lives.
They had their wisdom to keep politics and religion separated and indeed deny the Commonwealth of Australia any kind of involvement into religious issues. We have seen however that over the years people are stirred up by the politicians about certain religious followers and actually interfering with who shall be heading a religious organisation.
Posted by Mr Gerrit H Schorel-Hlavka, Monday, 11 June 2007 9:52:56 PM
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Part 2

This is a very sad day for society as it means we have lost a constitutional rights that the Commonwealth of Australia stays out of religious matters! That is the true issue to be mourned about and no doubt the consequences will haunt us, as while Hilali may not be an issue it will be merely a matter of time that politicians will use any religion as their political football and then we may look back and regret never having stopped this to start off in the first place.
Posted by Mr Gerrit H Schorel-Hlavka, Monday, 11 June 2007 9:55:05 PM
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