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Prochoice Amnesty means no choice for members : Comments

By Chris Middleton, published 23/5/2007

It is particularly sad to see Amnesty go down the path of abortion advocacy.

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Thanks Aime for your kind comment.
Posted by Foyle, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 11:55:59 AM
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FOYLE.. you are the one who put it here for our consumption and reflection, so I feel its ok to respond.

You basically said it was an issue of 'convenience' that you terminated a growing life.
If it was a result of rape, or some medical complication, I could 'more' understand such a step, but for simple 'convenience'?
That is something I simply raise the question about, you can reflect yourself. At least, in terms of your presuppositions about life, you have acted in line with them.
But what perhaps you don't tweak to mate, are the philosophical implications of your action, or the mentality behind it.

It's as simple as 2+2=4 that once we 'make it up' ourselves there is no limit to 'what' we can make up.

EXAMPLE. "It is my considered opinion that Jewish people are sub human, and that they should be exterminated from the planet"

Now.. we know where THAT kind of thinking took Germany right?

"Christians and Jews are cursed by Allah, may he destroy them" surah 9:30 in the Quran. (which to me is 'made_up'by its author, Mohammad)
Apparently that was the thinking behind the massacre of Christians at Castrogiovanni..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Islam_in_southern_Italy

"Abbas ibn-Fadhl, the ferocious victor of Butera. he started a campaign of ravages against the lands still in Byzantine hands, capturing Butera, Gagliano, Cefalù and, most of all, Castrogiovanni (winter 859). All the Christian survivors from that fortress were executed, children and women sold as slaves at Palermo."

OR..I can make this up.....

"It is not convenient for me to have to wait for promotion, I'll undermine all those ahead of me with innuendo and gossip, skillfully crafted to destroy their lives"

Is it inherrently morally wrong to do this? (answer.."yes" but only if GOD has provided moral code)

or.. Let NAMBLA speak "Sexual experiences between adult men and consenting male children can be quite positive"

Or.. Mohammad again "Ayesha, Allah has shown me you are to be my wife"
(she was 6, consumated at 9)

I think you should by now have enough ammo to reflect on 'make it up'
Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 12:12:39 PM
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BD, sensible spacing may mean convenience and it may indicate health issues. It is not advisable to fall pregnant within 12 months of giving birth, as the body does not have sufficient time to recover. It can indeed be dangerous if the pregnancies are very close together. If a caesarean is performed, then the recommended spacing is 18+ months. Again, to give the body time to heal and recover - better for woman and better for baby.

I cant speak for Foyle, but perhaps you should consider the options before racing in with accusations.
Posted by Country Gal, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 12:31:01 PM
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BOAZ_David, I don't want to get into a useless circular argument, but it could be argued that "It is Your considered opinion that the Bible has the truth on such moral issues as abortion". So you are open to the same problem - that your arguments can be seen as grounded on the fact that you've "made up" that the Bible is the arbiter of these issues. I don't mean that in a judgemental way - simply, you're contending that pro-abortion ideas are "made up, albeit on the basis of considered reflection", but one could equally argue that you've "made up, on the basis of your considered reflection" that the Bible is correct about this matter. From a rational perspective you are more at risk of facing this argument, since considered adherence to the Bible's version of morality is less strictly evidence-based than considered non-religious morality.
Posted by Jordan147, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 12:44:09 PM
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At the risk of answering my own questions...I'm going to answer my own questions. First up:

Amnesty should commit to reproductive autonomy as a human right rather than decriminalisation of abortion. This would mean campaigning against China's one child policy and against countries where women are cajoled into having abortions - as well as countries where abortion is illegal. Both situations I regard as human rights violations. It would also cover situations where men have been virtually forced to have vasectomies - such as in India under Indira Gandhi.

Secondly, Amnesty now campaigns on behalf of gay people who are persecuted. That was divisive but Amnesty has survived that controversy. Amnesty should have the freedom to change its policies without threats from Catholics, Islamists et al.

Finally, although I find all religions offensive I support Amnesty and others in their efforts to free religious dissidents. Why? Because human rights is the main issue not the individual's belief or lifestyle. If we start cherry-picking on human rights on the basis that someone has been a 'good' person (not a lesbian, not someone who's had an abortion, not etc, etc) Amnesty and similar groups would have to wind up.
Posted by DavidJS, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 1:20:52 PM
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If Amnesty International had any integrity it would have changed it's name when it changed it's raison d'etre. Now Amnesty International is nothing more than a shill for leftist politic. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. A.I. have lost all credibility and can no longer be trusted to act as a mediator or transmit information that is to be trusted and free of bias. Good bye Amnesty International. You no longer count except as a sell out.
Posted by aqvarivs, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 2:08:35 PM
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