How could the real Kevin Rudd stand up?

He, & his spin merchants have spent so much time, crafting, & re-crafting, a Kevin Rudd they think/hope the people of Australia will elect, that no one, particularly him, have any idea who, or what, the real Kevin Rudd is.

I wish I could remember, as it just may give some idea of what kind of PM he would make. Unfortunately, I'm inclined to think that he's not the type of man who would ever let a principal get in the way of buying buying a vote.

Hasbeen,

Clean your glasses, there is no difference between Rudd and Howard.

As for Costello, he reminds me of another Labor leader William Morris Hughes and you know what, we show him the door.

GOLD COAST BULLETIN

LIVE EXPORT TRADE INQUIRY WOULD BE LIKE LAMBS TO THE SLAUGHTER

THE RSPCA may have the answer for fed­eral Labor politicians struggling to galv­anise voters with the AWB bribery scandal.

The recent 60 Minutes program on Channel 9 revealing cruelty on Australian cattle in the Middle East hit a nerve.

Not that the RSPCA was surprised by the strong response from Australians outraged at endemic cruelty in the live export trade.

Many Australian voters may not give two hoots about $300 million in kickbacks to Saddam Hussein to sew up Australian wheat sales to Iraq. But it would be a different story if the AWB was ever linked to live exports.

The Gold Coast-based Halal Kind Meats is off to the backblocks of Queensland and West­ern Australia to look for Australian slaughter­ing opportunities. Dozens of Australian abatt­oirs have closed since the live export trade boomed in the 1990s. Kindness to animals is part of the Australian 'fair go' tradition.

Labor appears more concerned with the future of Australia's livestock trade overseas than banning the practice.
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Sunday, 18 March 2007 5:12:11 A

Kevin Rudd

Is not a clever poly. Had he of been he would have informed the public at the time of the AWB enquiry of the above post.
Kevin Rudd as "Shadow Minister" of Trade had a clear duty to have told the public especially given right at the same time 60 minutes had again ran their story on the cruel live animal export trade.
His office was contacted and documents sent to him which proved the AWB were exporting more than wheat.

Now I reckon had that of been Howard is the same postion he knowing the public feelings about live Animal Export - Would have told the public.
He would have known if he kept quite after people contacting his office about the connection it would come out sooner or later.
Oh yeh I am sure there would have been some porkies told to make it look like he was doing more about it than he really was.
My point however he would have known such a public issue was going to come out sooner or later.
If Howard had been the Shadow Minister he would have used the information to win votes.
Difference is Mr Rudd headed for the hills and missed his chance.
Ask yourself this question.
In times like this who would you rather trust the safety of your kids to- The young cocky inexperencied Mr Rudd or the cunning old fox?

LIVE ANIMAL EXPORTS AUSTRALIAS GREATEST SHAME

I understand these things said Mr Rudd. No Mr Rudd you dont. Its clear you were not present when Mark Latham stood in your shoes.
At an interview and question time Mark was clapped and cheered by your supportors . Right up to the last question kevin- Which was regarding Live Exports.
Your own supporters bood him off stage,.
Put some migrants on farms and open plants. You are leaving Australias boarders wide open and inviting unwelcome guests to befriend some of those who are not fussed about either party.
http://www.livexports.com/cowgun.html

People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming...I noticed you have been posting on various discussions bringing this issue into it...

I got a questions for you...why dont you get video tapes of the whole industry at its bare facts...and post them without identifying location or source...

I for one have seen cattle lined up for slaughter...they have tears streaming down their eyes...this made me go look at them at pasture and the tears were not prominent...I concluded that they knew what was coming but not willing to give their life yet...and why not...its easy to see they 'feel'...calm, agitation, anxiety...so they can feel happy, suffering and perhaps see their end...this last aspect is seen in the wild when animals flee from the predator but when the inevitable moment arises the struggle stops and almost as if 'gives the neck' for predator to crush the wind pipe...

ask some meat workers how some animals just fight to the last...and others go peacefully...and by accident I discovered hallal and kosher meat seems to taste better...the only difference is a prayer was given to the animals and thanks to god...ask people to try and see if they can notice any difference...if so then all animals can be killed here in Australia with the appropriate prayer for the destination country...

I think these would help forward your message if just the truth without benefit was given...particularly if animals show definite signs of 'knowing' their end and its prolonged unnecessarily by a long and suffering voyage...

Sam

Sam

Thanks so much for your thoughtful post.

Yes it is true we do post of several threads in regards to this issue because it crosses over mant topics- Such as employment and regional areas Church Leaders polys etc.

I agree with you about animals knowing they are in danger or going to die. Its a fact and very sad. Last week we met with one of the largest meat exporters and abattoir owners in Australia and he said the same as you.

We can only improve things step by step.

At least if we slaughter them here and send them in a box it saves them weeks months and days of suffering.

Kosha is the most cruel method of all.

Our method using a bolt or stun gun is probably best for the animals.

There is a difference Sam bewtween methods of slaughter. Its far more than a prayer.

The dometic plants need a jolly good skake up especially.

I have heard Malaysia are busy building big abattoirs to increase the live trade from Australia.
This was not what was agreed on at the ential meetings with those delegates originally.

So if some people think we are no longer going to slaughter here and then send whole carcass all I can say it will be on for young and old.

Halal vegetable farms will of course down the track give a better return and have always been a healthier option.

One can only hope when people realise this down the track these products will be favoured.

Possibly some others might post your request a little later.
I will leave that up to them.

Its just that it backfires BADLY when you start telling people how cruel it is eating meat.

We can only try to improve conditions at slaughter houses I am afraid not stop them.

Something I stuggle with Sam.
I dont know how any God could allow his beautiful creatures to be treated by us so call humans.

Still we wont go there because it wont help.