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What a performance about paying teachers! : Comments

By Ian Keese, published 23/4/2007

The millions of dollars, spent on politically correct pseudo-issues, could have been spent on improving the education of students.

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CJ Morgan,
In every industry I have been in, you only get performance pay if you improve your performance.

When analysing the situation, and boys and girls marks are added together, then teachers have not improved the performance of students in 30 years. You can try and find the statistics to show that they have.

So why should teachers be awarded a pay increase for not improving the performance of students?

Liz,
You have said that men have created problems in the education system.

That is: -
“Don't blame us for an education system designed and underfunded by men”.

As a teacher, this was a very sexist, very feminist, and totally non-professional thing to say, but you have had the opportunity of saying how women would design and fund the education system, and to date you have not given that information.

You have maligned the men currently in the education system. That is a fact, and I’m finding it quite typical that teachers malign males. But you have not said how women would design and fund the education system.
Posted by HRS, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 12:05:48 AM
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Enjoy your rant HRS
Posted by Liz, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 9:39:12 PM
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Liz,
As a professional, caring and non-sexist teacher, you have written:-
"Don't blame us for an education system designed and underfunded by men”.

So the obvious question is "How will women design and fund the education system?"

So far you haven't given an answer, and I'm begining to wonder if its some type of secret, that can only be talked about amongst female teachers.
Posted by HRS, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 10:34:24 PM
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Back to performance pay . . .
The best pay policy for professionals such as teachers:
* pay them well
* pay them fairly (including, in part, according to a fair notion of 'merit')
* manage the payment system so that pay the last thing on teachers' minds - intrinsic motivation should predominate.
The Bishop plans are based on extrinsic motivation. Along with the underminnig of collegiality, this is sure to be quite counter-productive.
cheers
Barbara Preston
Posted by BarbaraP, Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:39:02 AM
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Barbra P
Your formula does not include student performance.

Paying someone extra money does not guarantee an increase in their performance. Paying teachers extra money does not necessarily mean that the students will improve their performance, and the students have to improve their performance, because both primary school and secondary school students have not improved their performance in many years.

So another systems is:-
- Benchmark the student performance.
- Pay the teachers performance pay if (and only if) student performance increases.
- Carry out retraining and disciplinary action for the teachers if student performance declines (eg. Discipline teachers for maligning boy students, discipline teachers for using parents as scapegoats to hide their own failings etc.)

There could also be disciplinary action on teachers like Liz, who malign men, but won’t give out information or answer questions.
Posted by HRS, Thursday, 3 May 2007 10:29:23 AM
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HRS - your formula is for massive teacher shortages - who with any professional/vocational commitment to teaching would want to be a teacher? Who with high general ability but not great vocational commitment to teaching would want to work in such a system when they could get much more pay elsewhere - and where there is respect for them as professionals. (Where are the arguments that local GPs should be paid on performance measured by direct patient outcomes on an individual basis??)
cheers
BP
Posted by BarbaraP, Thursday, 3 May 2007 11:37:01 AM
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