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Time to limit hot air debate : Comments

By Tor Hundloe, published 13/4/2007

Can John Howard and Kevin Rudd work together to arrive at sensible responses to climate change?

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Our political leaders have a fettish for debating a very small issue for hours, such as how to deal with one prisoner in care,or a very big issue; climate change.
Any leader who drives a vehicle with more than 1500cc capacity or has not installed a water tank to store water for use in their toilet,cannot be considered to be serious enough to debate climate change.
Most politicians consider they are teachers ;"do as I say not do as I do."
Having listened to Sir Nicolas Stern,I am convinced we need our leaders to lead and not to teach as is happening in the current debate.
Posted by BROCK, Saturday, 14 April 2007 12:18:54 PM
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There is no surity that CO2 is the main culprit in global warming.Go to www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.html
There is no connection between the warming of the earth and the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere.Look at the evidence that Christopher Scotese presents and you will be a skeptic too.

They have recently discovered that Mars is heating up at the same rate as Earth and this can be explained by Sun spot activity.

Water vapour accounts for 96% of greenhouse gases while CO2 is less than 1%.We had better get our facts right before ruining millions of lives with fear mongering and unnessary poverty.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 14 April 2007 3:48:45 PM
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People are beginning to realise that climate change is a serious issue which, without a ‘magic technological bullet’, can only be solved by political actions.

However the issue is of such magnitude that I think it is beyond the capabilities of our current political parties.



People with concerns for environment/climate change range over the whole political spectrum. i.e.’ you don’t have to be left to be green’

Because political parties have environment/climate change as just one policy in their raft of policies, a voter must accept possibly unacceptable policies along with a chosen climate change policy, something they are loath to do. As an example, the Greens may have a climate change policy acceptable to the mainstream voter but their other policies appear to far left progressive for about 90% of the electorate.



This means that the environmental/climate change vote has been and is fragmented. This lack of a unified vote has meant, over the years, that the environment has suffered through lack of representation



Our political system described above has sort of worked to decide political issues but this climate change issue is different. It is much more important than issues of the past and cannot be left to the politicians to sort out, to trade with their own interest groups, to use as their ‘loss-leader’at election time …. playing politics as normal.



We must have a unified enviromental vote to force the issue.



What the environment and climate change needs is a political party dedicated to it alone, attracting support across the whole political spectrum.

Such a party would not have to run the country but would need to have the critical mass to force the climate change issue beholden only to the environment.

Without such parties we will waste precious years, courtesy of the current parties, with point scoring, flawed emission trading schemes or low and ineffective carbon taxes and lack of funding for the very sector that will solve the problem of climate change, the sciences.
Posted by Goeff, Saturday, 14 April 2007 7:41:01 PM
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Nothing will change until these dictatorships have been kicked out of politics and the real people get back in to take control of everyday life.

www.tapp.org.au
Posted by tapp, Saturday, 14 April 2007 8:04:54 PM
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bless you, tapp, you're arguing for real democracy.

goeff, so are you, although you don't realize it. like most ozzies, you literally can't conceive of real democracy here, since you've never experienced it. but in a real democracy, environment action could be pressed by the people through referenda without the need for some impossible fantasy-party.

democracy may seem unattainable here, but it only needs the electorate to want it, and it will happen. your 'superparty' would need the character of politicians to change into philosopher-kings, and that isn't going to happen.
Posted by DEMOS, Sunday, 15 April 2007 7:54:17 AM
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DEMOS you are dead right, it is up to the people to want it, that is what i am fighting for and as i see it the impossible is possible.

Candidates and members wanted

www.tapp.org.au
Posted by tapp, Sunday, 15 April 2007 10:26:03 AM
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