tao,
I agree with you that we have not seen a fair dinkum Labor Government since the Whitlam Government, Hawke & Keating did help working people a little, however being AWU faction, or right-wing they were only Liberal's with a social conscience. Hopefully Rudd will be a copy of the true Labor Government, a Whitlamesque Government if you will, a progressive government, Australia has paid too higher price for 11 years of conservatism.

Gday shonga, we meet again Labor greatly assisted by Howard's miss use of his massive mandate is about to govern again.
Workchoices is an act of spite made possible by that mandate, nothing less.
Howard history will show, miss used his massive power in spite filled ways and could have done so much but failed in the end.
am quite proudly from that AWU faction, unhappy as some may be by it it is that faction alone than can take government from this failed conservative one.
After all it takes a majority to win government not marginal minority's.
Labor and all its factions are duty bound to return good government to Australia.
That means true IR justice,and we shonga must be the conscience of the governing party to see it happens.

Why are the misnamed workchoice relations laws being implemented?
Because workers produce all the real wealth in society. This process is not immediately apparent and works itself out behind the backs of workers. The role the treacherous trade union beauracrats play has been to cover this up by promoting the axiom in every struggle and workplace as "a fair days work for a fair days pay" A fraud that has indescribale consequences for billions of workers. That is 2,500,000,000 million workers produce all the wealth and receive a 'wage' not a share. The thrust of workchoices is boosting the level of wage exploitation and the multi nationals reap the profits along with the financiers, IMF and world banks. As if somehow they do not have enough. The profits squeezed out will go around the globe in search of the highest rate of return or exact a high rate of return. In other words the money sqeezed out today from workers becomes a future demand or weapon against workers. Their priority is to extend the casualization of the workforce, and wield the sacking axe ever more frequent. This is to oppress and grind workers down to control them. The politics are workers have no rights and no say. What we already experience as shut up and faster, faster, faster. But how ridiculous, how utterley ridiculous the Howard government would appear to workers, were it not for the trade unions who prop up the liberals by keeping workers divided. The trade unions in reality defend the bosses and implement the divide and rule strategy. Their precious career up into the Labor Party is bound up with keeping workers down and the maintenance of the profit system - capitalism through divide and rule.

Its encouraging to see that Workchoiceless seems to have very few apologists, even on this forum. If this forum were a microcosm of the whole nation, I think we would be seeing a Labor landslide this year for sure.

While I'm not one to be overly rejoiced if Labor win, it would be great to see the coconut get his marching orders. I just hope Labor can actually reverse the effect of this legislation. But I also fear a Labor govt. will go the way of 'New Labour' in Britain, despicable after 10 years.

labor has been saying they are going to keep it i wonder why.

Maybe they have businesses which will benifit under these laws.

Trust neither of them
for me will vote independant if i have to.

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Shonga,

The problem is not that “we-have-not-seen-a-fair-dinkum-Labor-Government” but that we have. Hawke and Keating were the fair dinkum Labor Government, carrying out their historical role as dupers and betrayers of the working class. Whitlam betrayed workers too – he chose to meekly accept his dismissal instead of mobilising workers against it – he didn’t want workers getting out of control of the normal channels.

The ALP is a capitalist party working in the interests of capitalists and against the interest of workers. When are you going to get it? The ALP cannot be reformed – they are what they are – capitalists i.e. exploiters of workers.

The only reason the ALP will gain power at the next election, if they don’t stuff it up, is that Howard and the Coalition have exhausted the public’s tolerance, and shown themselves to be completely vile and morally bankrupt. Rudd and the ALP have simply not had the opportunity to show the public how completely vile and morally bankrupt they are – but they will.

There is no way Rudd will head a progressive government – the man was nicknamed Dr Death in Queensland for his slashing of the public service. And you can bet that either Workchoices will not be torn up as promised, or it will be, but it will be replaced with equally anti-worker laws – probably just more favourable to their mates the union leadership.

Get rid of your illusions of the golden ALP past, and future restoration. It never was, and it will never be. The sooner you and everyone else figures that out, the better. The sooner working people realise that they need to organise themselves independently of the traditional capitalist “democratic” framework, take up an international socialist program, and oust their union leaders, take back their organisations, break with the ALP forever, and reorganise society in their own interests, the better.

By the way, I note you did not bother to address my comments about your own attacks on workers. Your hatred of workers is apparent – why should they bother to listen to you?